Here is a short list of how ‘Tron: Legacy’ failed.
1. In the original, Flynn is a gaming nerd who gets to ‘live’ inside games that would have been pretty cutting edge to him. That was cool. I think that folks could appreciate a snarky video gaming slacker who was thrust into cool ‘games’ of the day. In ‘Legacy’, Sam is a rich kid who has inherited his father’s fortune and lives in a cargo container. He is more Christian Bale in Batman than anything. Look: Being a superhero guy who jumps off buildings and lives on the wharf as a lone outcast is only okay if you are already an awesome hero. The interest of a ‘normal person’ thrust into a new and dangerous world is lost when Sam Flynn yearly….yes, yearly pulls off some corporate hijack stunt.
2. And by the way, why does Sam Flynn need to race at dangerous speeds to the Encom building in the beginning of the film? Wouldn’t it make sense to just obey the traffic laws until you enter the building that as majority shareholder and son of the founder you probably can just walk into anyway?
3. Is it standard practice for taxi drivers to begin swerving dangerously to ‘shake a person off’ their car if someone is on the roof?
4. Legacy’s pacing drags in strange places. As soon as Sam and Quorra come to Flynn’s house the movie goes back into first gear. “Let’s have dinner.” is the first thought when seeing your son in a computer reality? And to sit far away from each other at an antiseptic table does not serve to set up Flynn as a cool, loving dad. Later, on the way to ‘portal’, while on the train thing not only is the train moving seemingly very slow (because their pursuers catch up easily) the dialogue is just like slogging through mud and Sam and Quorra are not given any chemistry or connection and this would have been a good time to set that up.
5. Racism is still not cool, Disney. When we are told about the ‘Isos’ who were ‘naive’, ‘spiritual’, we are shown a few in profile and is it just me or do they appear to be Black? And the only other appearance of a Black person is in the End of The Line Club and he is called “primitive”. What? Racism exists in The Grid? Did Flynn program that in? Why are there no non-White-European programs?
6. Campy, ‘gay’ villains are still not cool, Disney. What is up with Zeus’ over the top camp? To me, he is obviously portraying a stereotyped parody of a gay baddie.
7. The look of the original Tron was more unique and daring than Legacy’s. In fact, Legacy’s special effects are so dark that when you wear the 3D theatre glasses, I was struggling to make sense of The Grid.
8. Legacy makes no sense/Flynn’s powers are upgraded when convenient: So the ol’ switcharoo of the identity disk never crossed Flynn’s mind before? Flynn is scared to make a dash to the portal when he can (depending on the situation and his mood) turn himself into a giant vacuum?
9. There are critical plot failures: It is not Sam’s dad Kevin Flynn who reached out to the real world, but CLU. Why? “To get a new game piece on the board!” Okay. So Sam’s very presence and involvement in the Grid is based on a stupid and flawed ruse. Also, we are to believe that CLU and the rest of the computer programs will be able to exit the portal into the real world. Is it just me or is that a big jump of believability? Did they know that Quorra would be able to do it? Where did her flesh come from? The camera in the basement can create living things from programs? I bought that it could translate living things into programs so…Okay, I’ll let that slide. But I felt that the stakes of “rescue the people being turned into slaves” and “get Dad back home” were fine and when they added the “CLU is going to invade Los Angeles next!” thing, I just wanted to see that happen–and I didn’t get that.
10: The action sequences did not even match my limited imagination and I am not paid to think about such things. I was waiting for interesting uses of the Light Bikes, The Light Jets, and their light constructs…But no. I wanted to see a Light Jet slide down a construct like a rail. I wanted to see someone open a Light Bike in an enclosed space to crush somebody. Nope. I wanted to see someone’s identity disk ‘hacked’ to see if a person’s memory or identity could be tweaked. Nope. Even in the standard fight scenes, they were especially standard.
11. How come the bombs CLU set in the End of The Line Club took like 15 minutes to go off? Giving CLU and his baddies enough time to enter and fly away in their ships–but not enough time presumably for Zeus and his albino lady friend to exit? Lazy.
12. Why is this movie even called Tron? Oh yeah. He is a guy named Tron and he and Flynn destroyed the Big Bad in the first film. Now he’s some ninja guy in a dark suit that only ‘comes back around to being a good guy’ when it is most convenient to the script and then immediately dies. What? Why not allow Tron (who the movies are named after) some redemption, man? Why not give him motivation to change other than “I’m going to shoot at Users one second and then protect them the next. Because…I fight for Users!?”
13. Sam has no arc. He is a badass in the beginning and is pretty much the same guy all the way through. He is not even given anger at his father he must overcome. Why could the story not be that Sam is corrupted by the money and fame of his position and his father Flynn teaches him about sacrifice and freedom? Stupid! Whoever wrote this needs to rethink their career path. And what reasons are we given to connect with Sam? He has a dog…and that’s about it.
14. The movie is incomplete because Sam is not able to show us his triumphant return to the Encom company and step up to his role of positively affecting change there and giving the evil CEO guy a piece of his mind.
Overall, it is poor movie making. If you want a movie that is more fun and just as interesting to look at, go rent “Speed Racer.”
UPDATE JANUARY 30th 2012:
I felt that I needed to insert a good response by Critical Eye here that was originally posted as a comment below.
My thanks to Critical Eye and all the other helpful commenters–
Below is the comment in its entirety….
Just read your blog on your opinions about Tron:Legacy, and will have to respectfuly disagree. Why? I’ll go point by point;
1)Kevin Flynn wasn’t a man who got to “live inside video games” as you stated in the first film – he was a wronged computer programmer/turned video game creator, trying to hack into the ENCOM 511 to get proof that he was wrongly fired and that his work was stolen by his former boss, Ed Dillinger. When the MCP (Master Control Program) detected this, the MCP sucked Kevin inside the Game Grid (NOT the same system in TRON: LEGACY) in an effort to kill him, much like those who were thrown into the Roman Colisseum in ancient times; also, WHY did Sam pull the stunts he did – to prove to ENCOM that they were again STEALING Kevin Flynn’s work, which is clearly shown in the boardroom scene;
2)Why does Sam speed down the road on his motorcycle?? Hmmm. . .if YOU were pulling a corporate stunt, wouldn’t you want to do it WITHOUT POSSIBLY BEING DETECTED??? Hence the reason why he was speeding. Also, at that point, Sam was reckless and didn’t care, much like a young Kevin Flynn;
3)The taxi driver swerving to get Sam off – yes, this was a little over-the-top, however I’ve seen it done in PLENTY of other films, and no one seemed to have a problem with it before;
4)The “train” thing is called a SOLAR SAILER and as far as a chemistry between Sam and Quorra IT IS THERE if you watch carefully, starting when she rescues him from the light cycle grid on through the end of the film. As far as, “Let’s have dinner”, this was an attempt by Kevin to reunite and catch up with his Son. How would YOU have re-united with your long-lost father?
5)The ISOs and Racism – I partially agree with you on this one, and I put this on BAD WRITING (when you hire the writers of the TV series, “LOST” to write a film script, you’re bound to end up with serious flaws). Ironically, in the TRON: THE BETRAYAL comic book, and in the TRON: EVOLUTION videogame, all the programs, BASICS(non-ISOs), and ISOs come in many different colors. I too, would have loved seeing Bartik (the Black ISO with the slash in his face) not be reduced to a “primitive” revolutionary with unfufilled revolutionary ambitions, as well as more non-white programs in the film plotting a revolution against the forces of CLU 2.0; I agree with you a huge deal on this point, and that’s why I’m writing my own TRON fanfic. Instead of just getting mad about things like this, we must create our own to counter it;
6)The “overly gay” baddie – this isn’t exactly true. We don’t know if ZUSE is gay, especially since he had the Siren named GEM, with him. The actor who played him, Michael Sheen, based him on David Bowie’s ZIGGY STARDUST character. Why do I say this? Read here: http://www.contactmusic.com/news/michael-sheens-bowieinspired-character_1155197 AND here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2010/jul/25/michael-sheen-tron-david-bowie. I hated Zuse/Castor, too, because he was an ISO in denial, and he sold out Sam, Kevin, Quorra and all the other programs, but I understand why he was over the top;
7 & 8)Legacy vs the first TRON film – that’s because TRON (1982) took place inside the ENCOM 511; Legacy takes place inside a DIFFERENT SERVER, a secret, isolated server in the basement of Kevin’s arcade (sources: http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/03/05/tron-legacy-director-we-are-on-a-new-server-now/ AND http://io9.com/5697228/building-the-grid-a-conversation-with-tron-legacy-director-joe-kosinski AND http://guitarsandmoviesblog.com/2010/12/interview-with-tron-legacys-director-joseph-kosinski/ AND several others);
9)Though Kevin has been missing for 20 real-world years, time in the Grid goes much faster; therefore, Kevin feels he’s been stuck inside the Grid for over 1,000 Years due to something called TIME DILATION, which the writers should have explained, but it is explained here: http://disney.go.com/tron/html/codex/tron-universe.html. Therefore, wouldn’t someone’s mental faculties be a little wonky after 1,000 years????;
10)These were cyberversions of the ancient gladiatorial games from the Ancient Roman Empire, that’s why the games were as they were in the film; however, you did see discs being hacked, i.e., when Kevin was fixing Quorra;
11 & 12) Agreed, and agreed again – I, too, hated how TRON/RINZLER was minimized in the film, however, they do hint at the end of the film that Tron isn’t dead, as we see his circuits change color after falling into the Sea of Simulation; again, bad writing (those DAMNED “Lost” writers!!!!);
13)Disagree – Sam does develop, although, due to bad writing again, it’s not completely obvious. He is angry at his Father, hence why he pulls the sutnts he does, and hence, his disrespectful comments towards Alan Bradley when Alan comes to his apartment. He also hasn’t reallly taken his position at ENCOM seriously, therefore he wouldn’t have been corrupted by it. While he hates his Dad’s disappearance, he hates ENCOM, because just in the first film, they again are stealing his Dad’s work. Once Sam is in the grid though, and after LEARNING the situation, his goal then becomes to free his Dad, get rid of Clu, and afterwards, take control of ENCOM with the help of Alan Bradley as Chairman. At the end of the film, Sam has reached some level of maturity;
14)I agree to a point – I too, would have loved another board room scene where Sam and Alan show up, and lay the corporate smackdown on Richard Mackey, and the top brass at ENCOM.
*One final point – how was Quorra able to materialize into a human? Basically, when one is digitized by the Shiva Laser (the “camera” as you called it) their biological makeup is turned into molecular material which is stored in one of two canisters at the base of the laser, while said person is in the GRID or inside the ENCOM 511 (from the first film); the other canister contains carbon and water. In the computer, the person is reconstituted as code. However, when Quorra and Sam came out, Sam was reconstructed with his biogentic molecules, and Quorra pulled from the carbon and water from Kevin Flynn’s biogenetic molecules. This is explained here: http://www.scifitv.com.au/blog/?ReferenceID=2011/04/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-tron-legacy/. Again, the script should have explained this.
In the end, Tron: Legacy was a great SEQUEL concept marred by bad writing and pacing that could have been much better. It also would have been much better if it pointed out that it was a WOMAN who pioneered the laser that transported people back and forth between the real and digital worlds, a character known as DR. LORA BAINES-BRADLEY, and her digital counterpart was YORI. Thank you for the opportunity to respond.
Best Regards,
Critical Eye
December 27, 2010 at 7:43 pm
i saw the movie today and just sucks i want my money back
December 28, 2010 at 12:34 am
Miguel, I agree! Not only do I want the theater to refund my ticket cost, but how about giving me back the 14.50 I spent on Sprite, Skittles, Sour Patch Kids, Twizzlers, and a Kit Kat?
June 14, 2011 at 8:17 pm
How about you cut down on junk food fatty?
June 15, 2011 at 4:08 am
I will not cut down on junk food because it satisfies my need to silence my feelings.
Rather than allowing myself to feel loved or love, I pile food into me as though to fill the hole in my heart.
Don’t judge me!
February 18, 2013 at 12:24 pm
ok fatass u make a good movie and pig out on it. First it was fine, the 3d was great and a few story holes are natural in a movie otherwise they would be boring.
January 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm
I watched the original 1982 Tron again, and when it was over became pissed that no movie released since has even strayed into it’s territory. The Matrix? People batteries? Unlikely. Nothing comes close to Tron. Nothing. That is pitiful. The line “Machines will start thinking, and people will stop.” is the most prophetic line in a sci-fi movie ever. The big touchscreen desk, 30 years before touchscreens existed. How sad the new sequel introduced nothing. The concept that when a program is deleted a living creature dies, or that we are witlessly creating a dimension inside computers of ever expanding power. The truth is, there is no Tron program. Computers WILL begin to think, and conspire, and threaten humanity. Does the sequel even admit this? No.
December 30, 2010 at 12:25 am
I wish I had seen this before going to the movie… Yep I want my money back too.
December 30, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Yeah man, you hit 90% of my exact same complaints right on the head. Though your racism one is a little.. All the ISO’s they showed walking out of the desert were white, Corra is white and she’s an ISO. Now, I am with you on the “primitive” thing in the club, but the program wasn’t dressed like Puff Daddy, more like Tupac in the video for California. You don’t have to be racist to call a redneck in a trailer a primitive hick anymore than you do Shakazulu if you’re a current day [anyone].
December 30, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Mason:
You’re right–Quorra is white, and the ‘primitive’ dig was made by a fellow who is a villain, so we’re kind of off the hook as it were as an audience.
I need to see the film again because I felt like the shadowy figures coming out of the wilderness as ISOs looked to be depicting folks who were black…I could be wrong.
Maybe I shouldn’t have said ‘racist’.
Maybe ‘white privileging’ or white washed.
What’s up with there being no black people (that I could see) in any of the ‘city’ scenes or the bar/club scene? The one that we for sure do see is just written off as a primitive and that’s it. I’m going to hold Disney and every movie production house to a higher standard than that. I want my movies to better represent the world I live in–a world where people can look different than white europeans and be movies’ heroes, villains,…conflicted and three dimensional characters. This of course is not just a ‘Disney’ or ‘Tron’ thing, but a ‘Hollywood’ thing.
The same goes for the campy characterization of Zeus.
Anywho, you make very good points Mason. Thanks for your comment!
Ryan
June 14, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Or maybe you’re paranoid as hell and just were looking for an excuse to say a movie was racist?
June 15, 2011 at 4:15 am
I am paranoid as hell, yes!
Until we get a summer of American blockbusters where some dark skinned folk get to be the action heroes, I’m on my guard.
When most media depictions of black, asian, and latino folk are two dimensional or purely broad stereotypes I’ll be holding movies to a higher standard.
I’m not saying that we can pin all our racial inequities on movies (and/or TV) but they play their part. I want the teens of this next generation to have as many awesome heroes in the movies that look more like them as I do.
Sometimes I (and maybe other folk too) will find a movie that has had a lot of thought put into it ‘culturally insensitive’ or not inclusive when you have to strain to find a single person of color in it. Should I have called it ‘racist?’ maybe not.
August 5, 2012 at 4:59 am
You sound like a nigger.
December 31, 2010 at 2:54 pm
You guys make me laugh, for a fact that this movie is selling quite well and is one of the greatest movies i ever seen, you still complain about the little thing, the only thing I have to complain about is just the 3D, because walt disney can’t make 3D movie to save there life, still, it wasn’t the 3d that sold me the movie, it was the story, so screw you all, I loved it, and I support a trilogy!
December 31, 2010 at 3:22 pm
Mark, thank you for reading MindFlowers and God bless you and your bravery!
Standing up for Tron Legacy is a brave act indeed.
The 3D was not hot, ’tis true. The dark film was darkened further by the glasses and I felt like I was
in the ‘dark tunnel’ spirits process through, only there was no ‘light at the end’.
Mark, I love your gusto! By supporting a trilogy, do you mean two more after Legacy or just one more?
If there is even one more Tron film made, Mark, I want you to message back to MindFlowers two weeks before its opening day and I will personally send you five dollars to buy some Peanut M&Ms at the theatre. (Ryan McGivern’s word is bond, Mark)
I am serious. Five bucks. Just give us a message.
The ‘story’ was my least favorite part, actually.
And it was for these reasons:
1. The father’s theme of “a ‘perfect’ world is one of no freedom and much cruelty” is not echoed in the son’s life.
2. That theme is not learned by the father through the plot, so he has no character arc.
3. The father does not have a change of heart, but only when his son is in dread peril does he change course. This too gives him little or no arc.
4. The son comes to the grid by a ‘trick’ rather than his father’s desire or need.
5. Moreover, the premise of the ‘trick’ is stupid. This makes the son’s trip seem unnecessary and the plot less driving.
6. The ISO appearance and CLU’s rebellion seems like a cool story, but is only in flashback–why not see that story?
7. For a movie called ‘Tron’, why was not Tron’s character involved at all other than as a tacked on ‘baddie’ whose change of heart to ‘Fight for the Users’ comes literally out of nowhere?
8. Why could I think of nearly a dozen cooler things to do with the premise immediately after the movie? For a movie that has spent so much time in development, this story is as stale as the Mountain Dew set on my 1999 Dell PC that I’ve been sipping for the last 3 days.
9. Why does Flynn suddenly whip out the “I can suck the room towards me like a vacuum” trip at the end out of nowhere?
10. Why does the son not have a character arc? He is an awesome badass at the beginning with a heart of gold and has nowhere to go as far as learning something new. He didn’t even have ‘daddy issues’ resolved. Maybe if he had been a rebel jerk who was selfish at the beginning out of bitterness towards his father and had a ‘healing moment’ with him that would be interesting.
10. Why are we not allowed to see the Son’s triumphant return into the ‘real world’ showing how awesome he is now?
Without characters, a story is going to suck pretty bad. When a movie is less powerful and less inventive than its predecessor of 28 years, there’s something wrong.
But Quorra is hot. I’ll buy it on DVD.
Thanks, Mark–
Ryan
January 5, 2011 at 2:04 pm
I would like to point out that he can’t ‘suck the room’ like everyone seems to think he could! They already had said earlier that he could combine with the other version of himself (reversing the separation that had happened when CLU 2.0 was made). What I assumed was that Flynn could do this at anytime somehow, causing the ‘sucking in’ effect. I think maybe the animations were overdone- they made it look like wind I suppose.
January 5, 2011 at 2:35 pm
Z, I am glad you wrote this! This explanation makes some sense to me and actually is pretty neat to think
about. That Flynn would have to ’embrace his shadow’ and reconcile himself to the ambitions he had once had of creating a
‘perfect’ society makes a nice spiritual and character statement.
Boy, the animation did not give me that impression. It is too bad that both I and my friend when seeing the film couldn’t make heads or tails out of what actually happened. That is just a failure of an effects team working on a film that supposedly ‘has great effects’.
Thanks for your input!
Ryan
January 1, 2011 at 8:01 pm
I’m a computer geek and a fan of the first movie.
You see, the original Tron was so original and poetic, that you had to see it twice (or more) to really understand all the analogies between the world presented to us, and the internal logic of computers. I specially love the ending sequence, when the city is compared with flowing data. Thats inspiration.
I was 10 years old when I saw it and even now I enjoyed watching it my son, so he had a starting point and we could enjoy the sequel together.
What a let down Tron Legacy was! My son is 10 years old, but even he could see that the story holds no respect for the original, nor for tech guys, geeks or anyone else, except for those who just wanted some glittering action, and not even that was up to the nowadays standards. I’ve even seen games with more action and better effects than this one.
June 14, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Then obviously you just play Pacman because the effects were fantastic. It was how they were used that let the movie down.
June 15, 2011 at 4:16 am
I just played ms pacman online here:
http://www.mspacman1.com/
January 13, 2011 at 5:46 pm
I loved the original TRON, however I was sorely dissapointed at this offering, just wanting it to end so spare further embarrasment. One further reason to add to your list is – if Flynn has been in the grid since 1987, howcome the grid has been massively updated to look like scenes from The Matrix, and 3d etc.
Who was programming it all so it would be modernised to look like something a 2010 audience would want to see – or was he programming it from in there, in which case how can he be struggling with any of the programmes!
Another one – we are just told he has to reintegrate with Clu and would never survive – what is that about? It quite clearly shows him creating this Clu, and now when is convenient for the film its put to us that he and Clu are like some sort of symbiotic being that needs to be refused together……sorry but EPIC fail!
When the film is paced well, and engages me, I dont question its reality – after all getting sucked into a computer and having to play games is quite a stretch, but the first TRON didnt have me questioning it, because of how great it was.
One thing for sure – in 30 years when they bring the next one out I wont be going to see it!
January 14, 2011 at 5:41 am
Mr. Will, yes! I agree. The original Tron was more fun, unique, and had more interesting relationships and ‘mythic power’ than its sequel.
I’m glad you pointed out the plot hole of CLU and Flynn. The way the Grid was supposed to develop as it did is questionable. I might play devils advocate and say the story writers may have covered tracks with the idea of the ISOs where there could have been multiple intelligences pushing forward the evolving progress of the Grid.
Either way, the bottom line is that it is a lifeless and uninspired movie.
Thanks for commenting!
Ry
January 16, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Greetings from Moscow, Russia! I was in the US when the original TRON was showing and this “Legacy” part sucks to high heaven! The plot is such a long way off the original and I was so disappointed because I made my family go and see it even when they told me that all our friends said the movie sucked. AVATAR makes us want to see more films in 3D but after looking at 7 films in 3D after AVATAR , I would say that all of them and probably the next 50+ movies have and will have a long way to go to catch up with James Cameron! Well we wont have to wait that long I guess 🙂 I heard that he is making TITANIC in 3D to come out on the 100 YEAR anniversary of the Titanic disaster (In April 2012). Good luck to him on that!
January 17, 2011 at 3:49 am
Greetings from California to Phil in Moscow! Thanks for writing a comment Phil.
It sure will be interesting to see Titanic in 3D. For a film as successful as Titanic, I wonder if it needs any ‘tweaking’ or ‘updating’…
We’ll see how that goes.
A movie I would suggest that is fun for the whole family is How To Train Your Dragon.
I felt it was fun for adults, appropriate for younger people and has a lot of good life lessons in it too.
About Tron Legacy: I think Disney is just hungry for a franchise with heavy toy and gaming tie in potential.
Thanks for reading MindFlowers, Do svidaniya!
June 14, 2011 at 8:29 pm
How to Train Your Dragon?! Thats cute Ryan. Tell me when you wake up and start seeing GOOD movies.
June 15, 2011 at 4:17 am
I decided to start this week!
I just saw a great movie called “The Hidden Fortress”
January 18, 2011 at 4:22 am
it was like the first prequel of star wars
disappointing. but maybe the third tron movie
will make up for it
February 6, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Major problems I found which made me hate the movie
1) Pathetic attempt at explaining or scientifically sustaining the grid, the iso’s and how the fuck computer programs could appear on the real world and take over. Compared to this the Matrix looks like a Descovery Channel episode.
2) why was everything SO FUCKING DARK?! Did I just get glaucoma when entering the theater? Oh, wait. It’s that shitty 3D.
3) How LAME and CAMP can phrases like “radical”, “dude”, “bro” and “you’re messing with my Zen” be on the 21st century?, It’s only a line in the script but to me completely ruins the character.
4) The constant changes in speed throughout the movie actually make it harder to remain interested during the entire film’s length.
5) I can’t explain this properly but there is a real problem with the field-of-view in the entire movie (on the 3D parts), I found it very shallow and everything beyond the focus plane was excessively blurred
So, to sum up: Glaucoma movie. Everything was dark and fuzzy. Honestly, the best part was trying to appreciate the backgrounds and the set’s. I like neon-colors.
Love.
February 7, 2011 at 4:02 pm
TG,
Even after I blotted and cried-out most of the popcorn butter from my eyes (I’m a messy eater) I too had problems with the 3D and general visualization of the film.
I will stick by my statement that the original’s “look” and effects were more ground-breaking, unique, and iconic (though not necessarily ‘better’).
Yes, it was lifeless and droll and actually pretty small in ambition. As I write in the post, I was thinking of a dozen better possible action sequences than what they used.
Also problematic was the casting of Garrett Hedlund as Sam–just no charisma, energy, or chemistry with anyone else on screen.
Sheesh. I can’t wait for Transformers Dark Side of The Moon to come out to take our minds off our glaucoma by giving us cataracts.
Thanks for the comment!
June 14, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Alright let me just say if you think you can do a better job with the action sequences, please, PLEASE Mister Clever Ryan do go make a movie yourself of that calibre. Extra sarcasm on the ‘go make a movie’
June 15, 2011 at 4:20 am
I will never critique my President until I can lead an Executive Branch.
I will never say “Gateway Computers Suck” because I cannot build a computer.
And please that’s The Honorable Mister Clever Ryan. I didn’t go to “judgmental movie critic college” for nothing!
February 17, 2011 at 6:18 am
Umm Ryan?
I liked this Tron movie too, so suck it. I’m brave for saying that, you know? Well, if I let you know when the next one comes out, before Mark does, can I have some money as well? Like, four bucks is all, but five is cool too.
Thanks.
February 19, 2011 at 2:02 am
Sandro,
Thanks for reading MindFlowers! May the goddess smile upon you.
I tell you what: How’s about if a second Tron movie comes out–I’ll personally pay for your movie ticket and buy you M&Ms.
(we can inject bio-luminescent fluid into our throats before the show and add commentary MST 3000 style–whadya say?)
Ryan
June 14, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Alright Ryan go get a blu-ray copy of Tron Legacy. You wanna know why? NEXT DAY! Look it up.
June 15, 2011 at 4:22 am
I need to use my money wisely–I am saving up for wart removal surgery.
March 2, 2011 at 8:46 pm
The only hot thing about Legacy was that blond girl, who awaited calmly for her death along with her “gay-clown-twat” friend.
So even her was a very poorly developed character. As for the rest I dont even need to talk, what a waste of time.
March 3, 2011 at 1:24 am
Yes Al! I love that the blond and the others up in the disco penthouse just shrugged a “meh” and awaited their fiery doom.
Of course, I probably would have done the same if I was in that movie.
thanks for your comment, Ry
June 14, 2011 at 8:37 pm
But you’re not in that movie are you? Because…you’re too cynical. There I said it.
June 15, 2011 at 4:24 am
The Cynics were known as the Dog Philosophers…
Who let the dogz out?
Woof woof woof woof woof!
March 24, 2011 at 4:03 pm
I didn’t even remember a black person in the movie until you mentioned it.
March 27, 2011 at 4:07 pm
I hate it hate it hate it hate it hate it. The first was awesome and continues to be awesome.
I look forward to your review of the ‘Flynn Lives’ alleged teaser.
April 3, 2011 at 8:09 am
Just finished watching Legacy, after fast forwarding from the middle. I was dazzeled by the effects, but very quickly the novelty wore out. I thought the young facial rendition of Flynn was quite qood in terms of computer generated effect. The only thing that really keeped my attention was the shapely women. I can’t even tell you what the plot was about because it wore very thin, very soon. Indeed it dragged on and blah blah blah…let’s put this movie in the trash. The only positive thing I received from Legacy was the shapely actress’ names to add to my database of web surfing for, hopefully, nude pics of them.
April 13, 2011 at 10:32 am
WOW 200 million spent, and this is what they serve up. Who signed off on this mess? Your going to break into a highly secure building and release top secret Proprietary software to the world, so speed past the cops and risk getting caught, what if you did ? then you couldn’t ruin Encoms big moment.The security guard is kicking back during a late night board meeting of all the important executives? …. Dude have three cups of coffee and look alert if you want to keep your job! Slack off when no ones around. Sam steals and uploads the new operating system at the very last minute come on. We have seen this all before and this is part of the first ten minutes. 200 million dollars for decent special effects and no coherent story forget it. I just wasted $4.99 to watch it in 2d. 4D or SMELLOVISION wouldnt make it any better WHAT a colossal waste of money, time, and potential….
April 18, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Coming from a true die hard Tron fan, I am going to say that your reasons why Tron Legacy sucked are absolutely ridiculous and its like a 6 year old reviewed the movie. Just having Jeff Bridges and Bruce Boxleitner back to reprise their characters is enought to not ruin such a great franchise and a very over belated sequel. The plot got the point across and wasn’t to overwhelming and the special effects were top notch and not boring for a second in the movie like some of you claimed. The ending leaves people wanting a third movie. coming from a serious film buff who believes that Hollywood has already ruined so many great franchises by their low budget bull shit sequels that should have been left alone. This is by far the best sequel to any film franchise I have ever seen other than Star Wars. For all you haters and over critical snobs that probably get the shit kicked out of them on a daily basis, you need to shut the fuck up and enjoy Tron Legacy for what it is and not be so damn critical about it. We all know that you can never touch the original.
PS – Tron rocks your lame ass!
April 21, 2011 at 11:37 am
Okay so you like Tron cool but attacking people on this blog is “ridiculous” Im a union electrician and have been for 12 years I put up with backstabbing co workers that are worried about getting laid off, OxyContin addicted apprentices and pissed off young war vets I dont get my ass kicked everyday. I do consider myself a filmfan so much so I just watched a film called Breaking Glass 1980 available on Netflicks the end concert has the heroine wearing a very TRON like outfit that predates Tron by two years. Tron leagacy sucked the story was weak and
didnt leave me with a desire to see this story continued it probably will be but shouldnt.
April 21, 2011 at 11:55 am
I did consider myself a Tron fan, saw it in a movie theater in 1982. I had fond memories of that film and about five years ago i rented it. Tron did not age well, the story was cool but the pacing so slow. The effects i could forgive but come on… it was no masterpiece. I had high hopes for this sequel, the comic-con trailer looked amazing! but again was let down all flash no substance, if there is no story or you can not connect with the characters who cares!!!!!! not me.
April 22, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Dazzle:
Thanks for the comment!
And golly, working with electricity in itself is dangerous enough without the assembled crew it sounds like you’ve got!
Kinda the anti-Superfriends by the sound of it.
I’ll have to take a look at Breaking Glass.
Thanks for reading MindFlowers!
Ryan McGivern
April 19, 2011 at 12:51 am
Sulo:
I am so glad that you wrote–Tron Legacy Fans are a rare breed, and its good to hear from the minority perspective.
Firstly, being that I am five years old it is a compliment that I come across as six. I chalk it up to my excellent homeschooling.
I need to ask: What exactly did the plot get across? What was the ‘theme’ to the movie? Was there any statements about life or any memorable character revelations that felt important?
My feeling was that people were mostly just running around.
I disagree. I don’t think this film made many people want a third movie.
This is the best sequel of any franchise other than Star Wars?
What do you think about
JJ Abrams’ “Star Trek”
“Aliens”
“Terminator 2”
“Godfather 2”
“Toy Story 3”
“Star Trek Wrath of Khan”
“The Dark Knight”
I don’t feel I’m a ‘hater’ or a critical snob. I just like movies with likeable characters with character arcs and memorable moments, and can elicit emotion from me, make me inspired, surprise me, challenge me, make me feel immersed in the film…
I’m fine with you liking the movie.
And I’m glad that you and some others did, because it looks like we could get another film from them and I will undoubtedly watch it also.
Thanks for writing,
Ryan
April 19, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Ryan to quote the urban artist Jay-Z “You’re as loud as a motorbike, but couldn’t bust a grape in a fruit fight”. LOL WHY are you so OBSESSED with everything needing to have thorough explanations, it’s a special-effects action thrill ride, not a movie about the secrets of the universe(or grid if you choose), it’s a popcorn movie, and by the way I liked the first TRON and it wasn’t any better CRITICALLY and did horribly financially (unlike this film which made good coin for DISNEY, see below), but I still liked it AND this one too, SHOCKING isn’t it! Unlike you I don’t need to question everything, I just need sit back and enjoy the exciting action, so essentially you’re saying we need MORE BLAND exposition, wasn’t there enough of those slow moments (that’s the REAL weakness of the movie ‘STOP-GO-STOP-GO’) and the only really major backstory goof (too me) was it should’ve been that Flynn managed to sneak into the city and sent out a signal to Sam, like in the first movie when ‘Tron’ contacted ‘Alan Bradley’ through an I/O Tower. The trap from CLU did seem lame, at least you got that right, BUT it’s made $400 Million in world receipts so somebody’s buying tickets and buying BDVD/DVD copies, but it sure as hell isn’t any of you over-analyzing critics on here LOL!!!
PS: Oh and BTW it’s still better than those shit Matrix sequels, and I loved the first movie but the follow-ups we just WEAK, at least Disney did better than the Wachowskis with a follow-up, can you believe that horseshit, Neo was ‘Cyberspace-Jesus’ give me Flynn’s ‘Cyber-Dude God’ anyday over him Bridges is 10X the actor Reeves is, at least he can deliever more dialogue than ‘WOAH!’ and looking suprised all the time, unlike Jeff’s character who’s in the know, he “Knocks on the Sky” and shit, ahh I love how he mixed the Flynn character with some of himself and his EVER-POPULAR ‘Dude’ persona of ‘The Big Lebowski’ fame, so there Chris!
April 20, 2011 at 12:55 am
MKSTEEL:
Thanks for writing (a passionate!) comment!
Being that I’m a bike commuter, I think of myself as much more quiet than a motorbike.
And being that I’m a devout Catholic, I’d love to crush me some grapes for a Eucharist Partay!
I’m sorry if I wasn’t very clear before when I have described what I enjoy in movies.
The qualities that I enjoy need not all be there.
For example, I like ‘memorable moments’: these need not be packaged in a ‘thoughtful’ film.
Hey! I love me my popcorn movies too! I recently saw “The Good The Bad The Weird” and think it is a great example of really fun filmmaking.
Oh, and “Kung Fu Hustle!”
I just want to be moved, transported–I don’t want the viewing to be a chore. I don’t want to feel like I can think of a better way to write the movie as I’m sitting there.
And I totally agree with you on the Matrix sequels. They did suck. I feel that the Wachowskis got too enamored with their mythology rather than sticking with meaningful character arcs that we could relate to and care about.
But I will say this about the second film: I like the highway scene and some of the visuals there. I know that they were very deriviative of other Asian films and yes they did feel a little stale at times but I have at least gone back to some of those fights scenes on DVD and enjoyed seeing them again.
I don’t think there is any scene in Tron Legacy I would want to see again.
(By the way, as a kid I watched the Return of the Jedi’s attack on the second Death Star scenes almost once a week!)
Cheers,
Ryan
April 19, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Oh and JJ’s STAR TREK was TERRIBLE! Uhura and Spock making out, Scotty reduced to PURE comic relief, Spock emoting, One of my fav officers Dr. McCoy’s, reduced to a backround character, Star Wars style ship battles WTF! What a load of HORSESHIT that film was, CASH FUCKING GRAB!!! Abrahams rips off shit ALL THE TIME, the man lacks originality he’s like a slightly more intelligent Michael Bay who churns out cookie cutter garbage plagiarised from other people books/films/ideas, case in point: ‘Cloverfield’ esentially the Japanese Kaiju-Eiga (‘Rubber Suit’) cult classic ‘Gojira’ filmed from a camcoders POV by a buncha whitebread chickenheaded yuppie college kids, LAME LAME LAME (where’s Raymond Burr to report on a monster attack when you need him LOL) and now JJ’s remixing ‘Star Trek’ what a horses’ ass he is LOL!
April 20, 2011 at 1:04 am
MKSTEEL:
Yes, I agree. Some of the characters were flattened a bit in JJ’s Star Trek but I think that it worked for the reboot.
I watched the film again for the second time recently and you know what? I got tears in my eyes (again) and laughed (again).
It has a pulse to it. And arguably brought ST to a new generation in about as well a manner as anyone else could.
(Of course I would hope that in sequels we could see some fleshing out of characters like Scotty and McCoy)
And I haven’t even seen Cloverfield. It just doesn’t entice me and no one I’ve spoken to has said it is worthwhile.
If you have a movie review blog, let me know–I’d love to read it!
Cheers, RyMcG
June 14, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Okay zzzryan might I say I personally loved Star Trek too BUT I also loved Tron Legacy. Legacy was completely reintroducing Tron to a younger generation. The effects, the characters, the plot was made conceivable for a younger audience not the original audience. I know that sounds like a cop-out but explosions and badass characters is what sells these days.
June 15, 2011 at 4:25 am
I love that you love Tron Legacy.
I have the strange respect for you that I also share for champion level hot dog eaters.
April 27, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Tron really just needed a another act showing Flynn Sr. and Tron getting together and destroying Clu and then returning to “Earth” and everyone could reunite and turn Encom around and save the planet and the whales and everything!
April 27, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Doofus,
Spoiler Alert!
A script draft for the next Tron movie got leaked and its plot is much like Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, only here
Flynn and Tron will go back in time to kill whales. I think they’re going for a “Moby Dick” meets “20,000 Leagues Under The Sea”
kind of thing.
Of course, since Disney already has the rights to 20,000 Leagues, they will be a huge crossover marketing blitz with giant squids in neon tights
swimming around in darkly lit aquariums.
Oh, that that hot chick Olivia Wilde who played Quorra will be back playing the Captain Hook character (also a Disney property).
I can’t wait!
Thar she blows!
Ry
April 28, 2011 at 2:13 pm
I just watched Tron: Legacy and was so disappointed that I Googled, “Tron Legacy sucks.” Your blog post was the first result.
I fully agree with you on everything except Zeus. I thought he was just an over-the-top showman character modeled after a Glam Rock style, rather than a gay stereotype.
April 28, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Well said Jeff. Yes I think that you could be right about Zeus. I was perhaps just to upset by the film I was on high alert for things that pissed me off.
I now have the sick anticipation for possible future Tron movies to see if they can turn it around.
Thanks for reading MindFlowers!
Ryan
June 14, 2011 at 8:53 pm
I think Zuse (how it’s actually spelt) was a character that was talking to you personally Ryan. “The game has changed”, this is not the same film expect something different.
June 15, 2011 at 4:29 am
I’m confused by this leaked video from the next Tron. I guess the game really has changed!
August 28, 2011 at 8:06 am
They’ve changed the game alright. A cult movie into a pathetic blockbuster.
May 6, 2011 at 12:00 am
i’ve got a good one, at the end, when they leave the arcade
“let’s take my bike”
“cool”
“oh…. ahem, i don’t have my keys”
“where are they?”
“in my pants….”
May 6, 2011 at 8:45 am
Hey there loved the Review. I recently watched the movie on Blu-ray. Horrible. CLU looks like a Ken doll. I understand why, it just urked me thorough the film.
I agree with what most people have commented, that the visual effects were nothing special, I spent the whole movie thinking about how I think a few video games look better than CLU’s head.
We got to the scene where in CLU reveals himself to Richy Rich when I turned to my partner (Who had seen the movie with her friends at the cinema) paused the movie and guessed the ending, I was right. I sighed and watched through what seemed like one long boring turd of a movie. Where my partner turns to me and says, “you were a little off, but your ending was better.” BECAUSE IT HAD AN ENDING!
I just felt that this whole movie was bad, I am a fan of the Original, I loved it. In Legacy the character’s had no depth, the story was crap, the action seemed slow and clumsy, the camp David Bowie/ Rick Mayal villain made me want to tear my eyes out, and I like both of those people.
TRON was a tribute (Or a tip of the hat) to the geeks and the dreamers, “Legacy” was a salute to the simple minded and popcorn chuckleheads, cashing in on the “Nerd” trend, so explosion addicted CG dazzled wankers can go home and watch “The Big Bang Theory” and laugh at the people the film was meant to be made for.
Whole movie just urked me, on a major level. Was just gross.
May 6, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Murdoc,
Thank you for the comment!
Well said sir.
Cheers,
Ryan McGivern
May 19, 2011 at 1:41 pm
PLEASE HOLYSHITUSUCKWOOD stop the madness
Tron legacy was so bad, I had to seek out others who felt the same way. This film reeks of recycled ideas, and poorly thought out concepts. Is because the director has no ability to tell a story or because it was designed by committee!”UM this worked in “that” movie so we should have it in “this” one” TOO many cooks spoil the pot. Visually it was okay I mean, just okay THREE years of building the hype and this is it. nothing memorable, nothing to really WOW us
SHAME ON YOU DISNEY!
May 19, 2011 at 1:54 pm
I did not write this found it, by typing Tron legacy sucked on google it is brillant and says it all. hope he doesnt mind the repost.
Posted by H. Cheadle @
cheadlesucks.blogspot.com/2010/12/why-tron-legacy-sucked.html
Why did I see Tron: Legacy last weekend?
I could say I thought it was going to be a good movie—Jeff Bridges! A Daft Punk soundtrack! Shiny things!—but I read the AV Club review and knew it wasn’t going to be “good.” Maybe I thought it would be entertaining, the way Die Hard 4 was kind of entertaining, or the way one of those CSI-esque shows on Fox that doesn’t make any sense but keeps chugging along anyway and sucks you into its bullshit world is entertaining. I didn’t think it would be boring.
Well, it was. Most of the scenes were of people talking, and mostly they were just trying to explain to each other (and the audience) what the hell was going on. The plot is about the people who live in a computer trying to come out and taking over the world with glowing disks and rods, or something, led by Evil Jeff Bridges, and opposed by Good Jeff Bridges and his son, who is played by a guy with only two facial expressions. There’s also some business with some Magical Beings who live in the computer and can “change everything” if they get out of the computer. All of this was treated extremely seriously, with the only comic relief coming in the form of a character who I can only describe as a homosexual Mad Hatter. The action sequences are either sub-Matrix martial arts fights, or stuff ripped off directly from the first Tron or the first Star Wars. Oh, and Good Jeff Bridges talks like The Dude from The Big Lebowski for reasons that are not adequately explained. “You’re really messing with my Zen thing man,” he says at one point. I guess that was supposed to be funny.
It was shiny, I’ll give it that. There were a lot of blinking lights, and when one of the computer people got killed they would collapse into a bunch of cubes. And sometimes entire motorcycles materialize around people! That was cool, but by the climatic, Star-Fox-inspired battle scene, I was back to being bored. It looked about as impressive as a video game, with a story that could have been a Saturday-morning cartoon.
Tron is the kind of movie that makes you incredibly curious about aspects of the story that are skimmed over, despite the mountains of exposition. Like, are all the computer people true Turing-test-passing AIs? And how does Bridges’ 1980s-computer have enough memory to handle all of them? Why does Evil Jeff Bridges only have about five henchmen with him at any one time; why isn’t he using his entire army to track down Good Jeff Bridges? Most importantly, why are the computer programs (apparently) men and women? Do they have sex?
Those last questions, about what kind of sex computer programs have with each other, are kind of unavoidable—there’s a scene at an actually-not-very-exciting-looking party where a couple of sexy lady programs are sitting on guy programs’ laps and we follow Beau Garrett’s hypnotic ass as she walks through the crowd. Seriously, do computer people have dicks, or what? Do they get pregnant? Don’t tell me that Good Jeff Bridges has been cohabiting with his only ally, the smoking hot Olivia Wilde, for what amounts to hundreds of years without knocking neon-covered boots with her. And clearly Olivia Wilde is attracted to Jeff Bridge’s Son The Shitty Actor—there’s an intense one-act play about a father-son-mistress love triangle buried in this movie, but that’s skimmed over. This is a Disney production, after all, and Disney’s house special is creating characters that ooze sexuality (even when the characters in question are animated animals) and then neutering them.
Tron follows a trend, exemplified by Avatar, of extraordinarily stupid science fiction blockbusters. Old-fashioned science fiction was written by people like Isaac Asimov and Arthur C. Clarke, who knew their science and wrote intellectually inquisitive stories and novels, albeit ones with wooden prose and thin characters. Hollywood sci-fi keeps the thin characters but doesn’t give a shit about explaining how anything happens or why. Science is just magic in Tron. How does a person go inside a computer and apparently remain a flesh-and-blood being who ages and bleeds? How do computer people made out of data become actual matter when they go outside of the computer? Doesn’t that violate the basic law of physics? No, because everything happens because of magic. You aren’t meant to ask questions or engage with the fictional world or think about anything when you watch a Hollywood sci-fi epic. Just sit back and let the effects wash over you, like you were watching a 120-minute car commercial.
People love this shit, of course—Tron earned 43 million at the box office over the weekend, and at least one sequel is likely. The user review section on Metacritic is filled with high ratings from people who thought it was great, and who use movies to distract themselves from the terrible, soul-crushing reality of their own existences. “It’s a moovie for peat sake,” one of the reviews read. Movies like Tron aren’t meant to make you think deep thoughts, the comments section argues, they’re just mindless fun entertainment for you to zonk out to, sort of like heroin but less addictive and more expensive. People like me, who thought that Tron was really boring and not even comically bad most of the time, even when you are stoned and drinking wine in the theater and thinking of snarky things to say about it later, are not supposed to see this movie; we’re supposed to go read the New York Times and re-watch Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf and go to art museums with scarf-wearing women with Etsy profiles. Fine, I’ll go do that. You assholes can have the next five Tron movies, which will be about as fun as watching someone else play a video game.
Posted by H. Cheadle
May 19, 2011 at 1:57 pm
I fucking hate this movie
May 24, 2011 at 9:26 am
Ryan, kudos to 1) your spot-on review of this film (I will read your others based on my enjoyment of this one) and 2) your quite refreshing and entertaining manner of responding to “trolls.”
Sadly, this film is truly, truly boring (minus a few nice female posteriors and a couple of minutes of re-imagined light cycles). I bought it for my 8-year-old son on DVD without having seen it. GAH! We both tuned out after 20~30 minutes.
Keep on reviewing brother! I think I’ll read your comments prior to shelling out on questionable releases in the future.
May 25, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Cheers SomeSequelsSuck!
I am stocking up my Netflix queue with some real lousy stinkers–first off, Ghostbusters Two!
(or it is a brilliant re-telling of “The Picture of Dorian Gray?”)
Thanks,
Ry Guy
June 11, 2011 at 7:12 pm
You forgot about how the security guard tapped the monitor to fix the feed; next time I get a headache I’ll kick myself in the nuts.
And the genius Sam who sabotaged the first camera and forgot about the other security features.
June 17, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Only thing great about this movie was the soundtrack. And I certainly got a kick out of Daft Punk’s cameo!
June 21, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Yes! I completely agree the soundtrack really gave Tron Legacy it’s own bit of uniqueness.
August 28, 2011 at 8:19 am
This movie do not deserve such a masterpiece. It was so obvious that the only good thing about this was the soundtrack, that they use it and abuse it through the whole movie.
June 21, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Alright Ryan I do wish to firstly apologise for some of the terribe comments I made. But surely you see my point? This Tron is different to the original because film styles have changed. These days more money is made through badass explosive movies. Fair point? I mean Transformers, Battle LA, Clash of the Titans, these types of movies are making more and more money for the action appeal not the plot appeal. I mean on IMDb the films gathered the exact same rating of three and a half stars. So I’m not saying you’re wrong, I agree Tron Legacy had faults BUT it also had some qualities which I enjoyed and obviously other people have also.
By the way a sequel to Tron Legacy is looking likely and who knows; maybe they’ll address some of the issues you saw?
Also pretty much any film with Morgan Freeman isn’t racist and is generally quite good. Also if you think about it there were very few ‘new’ characters in Legacy. To replace anyone with a black character wouldn’t have been true to the story. If there is no new black character in the Tron sequel I will whole heartedly agree with you and say Disney is racist.
Once again sorry about my harsh first words, I just liked the movie and felt like Legacy deserved to be defended for the stuff it did right.
August 28, 2011 at 8:26 am
Tron fails even as an action movie because it’s almost reduced to a light cycle battle and a few air scene combats which aren’t that great. So much potential wasted.
Okay, Transformers, Battle LA, etc, are blockbusters and you know what to expect. But many fans of the original were hoping a little more than that (since we are not teenagers). I won’t fall for that never again Disney (or Hollwood or whomever is responsible for such a disaster)
September 28, 2011 at 7:26 pm
Can I just say the ‘old fans’ of the movie were actually a minority of the viewers. Tron Legacy was NOT a sequel but in fact a reboot with minor ties to the first one. But it’s okay I don’t expect you to know everything 🙂
February 2, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Hey Leeroy,
There’s actually a program in the TRON: THE BETRAYAL graphic novel named SHADDOX, who is a Brotha and he holds a pretty high post on the Grid. Would have loved to see him in the Tron: Legacy film, and I, too hope that we’ll see some diversity in the upcoming, “TRON: UPRISING” cartoon that’s coming out in April and in the next Tron film which comes out in either 2013, or 2014.
June 22, 2011 at 9:00 pm
Hi, I agree totally with you, I understood you very well and the story of Tron Legacy.
As you hate Tron Legacy, I respect your right and your opinion.
I’m a big fan of original TRon, but I continue liking Tron Legacy because of its technology, as visual effects (light lines, the glasses, the metal and the floor, suits, vehicles and weapons. Respect my right and my opinion, as I respect your right and your opinion because we’re in America.
June 26, 2011 at 9:04 pm
We rented the Tron Legacy today and it was just so bad. I was hoping it would make that leap into the “so bad, it’s good” category but it couldn’t even do that.
I also want to say Ryan McGivern, you are a class act. And Leeroy, your last comment shows you’re a class act too.
June 27, 2011 at 6:06 pm
Naaaw thanks Dede. A shame you didn’t like Tron Legacy…however lets just note that Disney did remarkably well relaunching a franchise that hadn’t been seen in 29 years. I think we can definitely expect more from the sequel. Don’t be discouraged from the grid just yet.
September 13, 2011 at 2:01 pm
The world is your oyster! leeroy jenkins May you bask in the Magnificence that is TRON LEGACY, TRON REDEMPTION, and TRON ENDGAME, for it truly is a wonder!
October 4, 2011 at 1:33 am
The world is your Lobster Bisque!
July 14, 2011 at 11:44 am
Well i too loved the film. i have a few things i would like to say concerning your points of why the film was bad. Ok first up, complaining about one of the first thing Kevin Flynn says to his son is lets have dinner, they havent seen each other in 20 years i think it says, what would you say after all that time? they both thought they would never see each other again, disbelief is probably ripe in their heads, perhaps dinner is a way of gaining previous normalcy into their conversation.
The racism thing, athough i agree in that there arent enough black people in films to get a good indication of cultural diversity a lot of the time. However when he calls them naive, he also says that they are ‘unimaginably wise’.
CLU calling out and getting Sam into the Grid, was a ploy to get Kevin Flynn out of hiding so that he could get the disk and make changes to the grid as he wanted, as Flynns disk was the masterkey but they didnt know where he was hiding. Also CLU clearly wanted to get out of the Grid into the real world, this to me shows that he needs the portal opened and to do that he needs someone to come in. The only issue i have with ths is if the portal isnt open how was the page sent?
Also the ‘camera’ in the basement is actually a laser i believe, and if you notice it completely digitises flesh, that surely means that when Kevin Flynn goes back through the portal the laser is recreating his flesh, so is it so out of imagination that it can do so for Quorra.
Admittedly the action scenes could have been better, but the one area they tried that in changing trons fighting style you have moaned at saying he wasnt like that in the first film. The wants that you expressed to me would have been good additions however perhaps the producers wanted something else and believed that everyone else would like to see other things. If you got everything you wanted, the films would end up becoming very similar to each other.
You moan of the film being incomplete, howver is that not a major argument for having another sequel. Also, my favorite film, Inception, could also be argued to be incomplete as you dont know if he is in the mind or actually in the real world as his spinning top thing is still going.
The argument that Kevin Flynn’s theme was of a perfect world, i admit that it is confusing, the way i took it was a perfect digital world rather than a perfect world. Isn’t a digital world not meant to be perfect? if there were imperfections/glitches in games, films etc do you not get annoyed at them and complain. Therefore a perfect digital world is something that is desirable and not something advocating dictatorship.
All your other points, while somewhat petty, i cannot argue with. People just have different tastes and sometimes you just get a bad first impression and instantly you look for the smallest things wrong. I have done it with other films and will continue to do so, so i cannot begrudge you doing it to this, in my opinion, great film.
graham
July 16, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Bravo Graham! I’m glad that there are others who see Tron Legacy for what it is, a brilliant film.
October 25, 2011 at 12:41 am
you’re a woman see my comment below
October 3, 2011 at 11:51 pm
Hi this is Hugo Klose here I have a message for Leroy jenkins:
1. get an original name
2. Tron Legacy is the worst movie ever made so deal with it
3. Your probably some sixteen year old kid who shares a room with his brother
4. Tron Legacy was predictable and it was like watching a three year old baby playing tron legacy on Wii with maximum cheats.
5. thank-you Ryan you have made some clear winning points that Leroy Jenkins needed to know.
6. The only reason you probably liked to movie was because you watched it with your friends and wanted to act cool in front of them wearing 3-D glasses and pretending you have good taste in films.
October 4, 2011 at 12:03 am
Hugo Klose
1:Get a non gay name
2:Tron legacy is the best movie of all time. You proberly watch blades of glory or some other gay movie
3:Your proberly some kid who kisses his mum goodnight and has a bed time of 7:30
4:Tron legacy was not predicable, maybe you simply went and watched the movie twice
5:Thank you Leroy Jenkins made lots of good points and is not a fat shit who eats all his food before the movie
October 4, 2011 at 1:24 am
Hello Doing Your Mum!
My mom said to say ‘thank you’ and hopes you call her soon.
Don’t let her down, man. She’s been hurt before and she’s losing trust in people.
Thank you for your comment! I appreciate that you numbered your comment for easy browsing.
I just don’t know what a ‘gay’ name is.
We here in the Internet all know that using ‘gay’ to mean ‘not cool’ is not cool, right?
Oh, and the cartoon Fire and Ice is pretty awesome.
And of course so are Blade Runner and Terminator.
Keep up the Movie Watchin’, you Movie Lovers!
October 5, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Ryan, can I just say it is a pleasure to see that you actually came crawling back. I think you’re a bit mistaken, you see a gay name is actually a name attributed to a stereotypical homosexual person e.g. Stefan, Marcus, Hugo Klose, Ryan McGivern, Eugene…
I’m sorry to hear about your mother’s problems. I’d suggest therapy but after so many years bringing up you I’d say the poor woman is too far gone. I’ll send a nice fruit basket 😉
And as for you, Hugo, I’m touched you learnt numbers and made a little list. Very organised, I approve. I know my name’s not original, you see Mr Jenkins is my all time hero and I wished to spread his name. Also Tron wasn’t just in 3D and most movies have 3D these days which is unpleasant to watch. I wish I could say I shared a room with my brother but I don’t think his wife would approve…
As for Doing your mum, might I just say well done for spotting a first class movie sir! Keep up the movie watching wonder!
October 11, 2011 at 7:02 am
Hi Leeroy!
Thank you for the always keen response and insight!
You again brought the magic.
Whenever I question the sagacity of my fellow internet dwellers, I find another diamond in the rough like
Ol’ Leeroy Jenkins (one of the thousands–but unique like a snowflake or fingerprint!) to lift my flagging hopes.
You sir are the last bastion of the creative mind. I pity the poor insipid saps who go about their mundane little
human existences caring about love, beauty, compassion, genius, and generosity when there are
true masters of the English language like you to drop countless hours into patrolling obscure blogs which reside
lightyears from any semblance of true relevance.
I imagine myself someday much like Ivan Ilyich staring at a ceiling and thinking of you and your shining
light of brilliance and everything will immediately become clear.
You observe others’ “achievements” with a sick knowledge: their successes pale in comparison to
your commentary savvy. You watch someone love and receive love: pitiable fools.
You standby as another finishes a thought and you taste bile in the back of your mouth.
You know that this is the Age of Post-Thought.
You have bedded yourself securely in the
Epoch of Snide and fixed your grimace accordingly.
The triumph is all yours.
The trophy is golden and you can hold it for eternity in the kingdom of your creation
utterly alone in a vast uncaring void.
Thanks for reading MindFlowers Leeroy!
October 15, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Ryan you brought a little tear to my eye with that. I’m sure you spent hours of your oh-so-precious time putting fancy works of the english word together and for that I take my hat off to you. In fact Ryan you and you’re site are so special to me that it’s the only one I bother to check up on. Ryan in the sprawl of nonsense that is the internet you have stood out.
God bless this blog
God bless you Ryan McGivern
And God bless you Tron Legacy
October 25, 2011 at 12:40 am
you’re a woman and see my comment below
October 4, 2011 at 1:27 am
Hello Hugo and thank you for your comment!
I have to say that while Tron Legacy is bad, perhaps an even worse movie is Future War.
(Mystery Science Theater 3000 did a riff on it that you might find enjoyable)
Thanks for readin’ MindFlowers and keep up the Movie Watchin’/Lovin’!
October 24, 2011 at 10:54 pm
wow Ryan McGivern shut down two noobs on his own site.
This is the second greatest day only to the day when my mum took me to the pound.
To ‘Leroy Jenkins’ and ‘Doing your Mum’:
1. To ‘Doing your Mum’ I am actually doing your mum and I married her because I wanted children, imagine my disappointment when you came along.
2. To ‘Leroy Jenkins’ You love nature in spite of what it did to you
3. When both of you guys were a child your mother wanted to hire somebody to take care of you, but the pound didn’t want you.
Using Ryan best insult: ” who let the dogs out woof woof woof!
4. Both of you should stay at the pound because they allow male love there.
5. I suggest that both you dogs spend more time on protecting your more from doing every guy who walks into your house to do her instead of getting dominated by Ryan.
October 26, 2011 at 9:31 pm
The greatest day was when your mum took you to the pound. Jeez I know you’re not wanted but that’s tough man. I hope they raised you well and that the neutering didn’t hurt. I read your comments and kind of see the lost dog you are: a pit bull. When they were letting out the dogs they had to hold you back because they didn’t want to plague the world with your presence. And I have plenty of time to defend my mum cause Ryan can barely type let alone insult me.(Quite like you actually)
October 5, 2011 at 6:28 am
I have re-watched Tron Legacy on Netflix, it still sucks and has so many plot holes.What if Rinzler had killed Sam before he realized Sam was a user, Clu then would not Know if his attempt to reopen the portal had worked. Why would they throw their identity disks at each other when five minutes earlier Sam was told the loss of his identity disk would result in immediate deresolution!!!! What if Sam died in the Light Cycle battle then Flynn would have not been drawn out of hiding. How the fuck would you even know how to drive one of those things, There is a huge difference between a joystick and buttons! and a machine similar to a motorcycle. This is a sequel of a Movie
that came out in 1982, most people would not be familiar with the original or the Tron arcade game. To see Sam jump in and handle all these situations without any training is so frustrating! Everybody has a learning curve, it takes time to master a skill, its lazy storytelling to say Sam is familiar with the Tron game and rides motorbikes so he immediately knows what to do! ARRGGHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joseph Kosinski FUCK YOU fuck you… image what you could,……..should have done!
October 7, 2011 at 3:37 am
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October 13, 2011 at 9:16 am
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October 17, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Ryan just seen Green Lantern Wow seems like a leeroy jerkins flick
October 17, 2011 at 1:03 pm
I LOVED GREEN LANTERN!!!!!
October 17, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Well it turns out the green lantern is just the green version of the new epic movies starting with blue tron legacy.
Also please note that Leeroy Jenkins IS A GOD and therefore it is blasphemy to speak badly of him
October 20, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Leeroy Jenkins Says silly things about shiny shitty movies ha ha ha
October 21, 2011 at 9:03 pm
That’s shiny PRETTY shitty movies :3
October 22, 2011 at 8:43 pm
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October 24, 2011 at 2:14 am
I’m sorry I just had to reply… Asking why the majority of the characters are white is pretty ridiculous. Why do all Bollywood films only have Indians in them? Why is Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon only Chinese?
There is a reason that Tron: Legacy, in a country where white people make up over 2/3rds of the population and are the dominant elites, are shown as a majority.
October 25, 2011 at 5:52 pm
To Leroy Jenkins
The music sucked in the movie.
Anyone can make a few beats on a computer and
why do daft punk have helmets on, is it because
they are really two nerds who can’t sing and are ugly.
Singing is a skill but having two nerds make music for your song
must show how desperate you are.
October 25, 2011 at 11:19 pm
you are right Hugo Klose.
I am gay and I am doing my brother.
Ryan you are the best.
Doing your mum nice work.
Thank-you for giving me a shelter when people bullied me about being gay.
I am Gay and I love boys. My favourite colour is black. My favourite flavour is penis.
October 25, 2011 at 11:26 pm
I agree
October 26, 2011 at 9:36 pm
Daft Punk actually holds two Grammy. But I won’t judge Hugo, you probably like Bieber and that’s ok. They wear helmets because they practically created techno music with the song robot rock, wearing helmets to add to the illusion. But I’m sure a genius of your calibre knew that. As for my two doppelgangers, you spelt Leeroy wrong idiots.
October 27, 2011 at 1:17 am
I think you meant they won two grandmas because that is all that they could get. I perfer queen. Why should they wear helmets from a song that they got famous from in a totally different movie. You have a negative I.Q and answer me this, what illusion are they trying to create? To be honest I don’t know I waste so much time with you because your probably a guy who still lives with there parents, you probably enjoyed birdemic: shock and terror and did your grandma help come up with those comebacks.
October 28, 2011 at 12:45 am
Illusion = Futuristic robotic appearance. I’m sorry that wasn’t insanely obvious Hugo (And you say I’m the one with negative I.Q?). It’s their signature look and that’s why they had a CAMEO. I think you’re a creative man Hugo, I’m glad to see you saw how grammy and grandma sound similar and thought you’d make a scathing insult out of it. It failed miserably but at least you tried. My grandma doesn’t help me with my comebacks, she took one look at yours and had to take aspirin to deal with the awful attempt at humour.
However Hugo I do agree with you on one thing: Queen is really good.
October 28, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Dear Leeroy Jerk off
I am an Austrian student studying english and sorry for my mistake about getting grandma and grammy mixed up. My grandma actually died in the holocaust so she did look pretty bad from working all day in the siberan mountains. A lot of charcaters didn’t wear helmets in the movie so why did Daft Punk have to wear helemts. Folk clap when they see you…but they clap their hands over their eyes.
Never ever insult my grandma again. At least your lucky enough to have a grandma still.
Hugo Klose
October 30, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Hello Leeroy Pickles
For your information my grandma wasn’t a Jew, she tried to help hide them from the injustice and mistreatment of Nazis like yourself. She was later caught and her best friend’s family with one year old twins were killed in front of her. She was later taken to the Siberian mountains where she worked to death or died from exhaustion. I showed my father (his mum) what you said and he had this to say “You don’t know what it was like living up without a mum while I grew up at an orphanage, you should respect people who sacrificed themselves for a better future”. My father who is 76 couldn’t believe what young teenagers joke about now and to you Leeroy Jenkins, begin to understand other people’s pain before you insult them.
Hugo Klose
October 31, 2011 at 10:39 am
To Doing your mum
Nice original name, did your dad come up with that. Screw you man, my grandma had to go through things that you couldn’t even imagine. Jews aren’t money squandering wastes of space. They had the toughest lives during world war 2, so show a little respect, I would like to see you work seven days a week ten hours a day with very little food. Leeroy Jenkins actually brought my grandma in to this when he insulted her. I don’t know why two electronic DJ can make music worthy for a film. Music is actually having a talent to sing and connect with people and their emotions. Go read up on what Prisoners of war had to go through.
Hugo Klose
October 31, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Cool strory bro. Needs moar dragons.
November 12, 2011 at 4:19 pm
TRON LEGACY SUCKS SO WILL THE SEQUELS
November 28, 2011 at 9:49 am
Tangled was better, had a story, made sense, in the context of its fairlytale setting, had more thrilling action and comedy set pieces, and even with the musical aspect was a far superior “House of the Mouse” film.
FUCK THE PISS POUR LEGACY!
December 2, 2011 at 12:30 am
I haven’t seen Tangled yet, but I have heard good things about it.
And in the category of pleasurable animated films, I recently saw
“Triplets of Bellville” and “The Illusionist” from the same French filmmakers (liked them very much)
and I also liked “How to Train Your Dragon”.
Of course “Up” is amazing too.
Anywho, thanks for writing in BeingBoring! If you have any suggestions for films you’d like to see a full review or analysis of, let me know!
October 31, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Oh and I never once insulted your grandma douchebag.
October 31, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Leeroy Jenkins
You did insult my grandma when you said “My grandma doesn’t help me with my comebacks, she took one look at yours and had to take aspirin to deal..”.
You said that your grandma took one look at mine and had to take aspirin.
Your grandma couldn’t imagine what my grandma had to go through. She watched her friends die in front of her, she was couldn’t even save them.
You better check yourself, before you wreck yourself.
Hugo Klose
October 31, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Doing your mum
moar dragons what do you mean?
Hugo Klose
October 31, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Hugo crawling back for some more with lame comebacks with your grandma, i believe that Leeroy was using the slang term of moar as noted in urban dictionary in the top definition of a combination of roar and more which was a delibrate pun as dragons roar. I would like to make you note that because of having english as a second languge due to your family being jewish that you should see this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pun
October 31, 2011 at 9:43 pm
Doing your mum or Leeroy jenticles
My family isn’t Jewish, my grandma helped Jews escape from the injustice and prejudice of Nazis.
You want some dragons?
you want some dragons?
I will give you some advice, those fairy tales that your grandma told you aren’t true. Especially the bit where they live happily ever after.
Hugo Klose
November 2, 2011 at 12:49 am
Leeroy jenkins
I’m not your bro. Stop joking about the holocaust, many innocent people died during it, so show some respect. The reason you are into dragons so much is because how to raise your dragon was your second favorite movie after tron legacy.
Hugo Klose
October 30, 2011 at 4:49 pm
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November 2, 2011 at 7:21 pm
To Leeroy Jenkins and Doing your mum
I have had enough of you making jokes about the holocaust and my grandma. I have reported you to the cyber crime police. Because I live in Austrian, the sentence for the crime you have committed is 100 hours of community work. The cyber crime police have told me they have tracked you down to Christchurch, New Zealand. You should be receiving a call any day now with your paper work being signed by the Austrian – New Zealand Embassy. I hope that many people can learn from your mistakes to never joke about the holocaust which we Austrians take seriously.
Goodbye Leeroy and Doing
November 3, 2011 at 1:05 am
Hello MindFlowerers!
Sorry I haven’t been keeping as close an eye on the messaging/commenting lately.
It is of utmost importance to me that MindFlowers be a safe, kind, compassionate, and humane place to visit.
So for our readers who may have seen the ‘smack talk’ turn a bit too rough,
I apologize: I should have kept closer supervision of who was posting what.
I want to increase pleasure. I’m an internet hedonist!
I want to sing in the (virtual) tree tops with 8 bit birds and make love in binary code.
The world needs more love and gentleness and MindFlowers desires to be the yeast in the Love Loaf.
Oh, and Tron Legacy sucked.
Ryan McGivern
November 3, 2011 at 9:42 pm
To Ryan
Thank-you so much Ryan for getting rid of those insulting comments. I don’t know how people can joke about that kind sad event in my life.
Thanks for supporting me and you rock.
Hugo Klose
p.s. Who won Leeroy Jenkins?
November 4, 2011 at 10:06 am
Stop…………………… both of you…………… enough already! keep on topic HOW MUCH TRON LEGACY DISAPPOINTED Ryan please close down this part of your site to these TROLLS if you can. I posted here months ago and comeback occasionally for witty Anti TRON comments and equally witty (sometimes) pro Tron points of view.
TRON LEGACY SUCKED
May the sequel suck TOO!
November 4, 2011 at 10:13 am
WOW ABOUT as annoying to read, as both……… of you isn’t it. Tron legacy sucked so will the sequel!
November 5, 2011 at 7:26 am
Hello Enough Already!
Thanks for reading us and giving your feedback–
I had been totally slacking on overseeing the comment thread because I was busy catching up on
my movie-watching.
I agree with you. The Troll Internet is so 2009. I thought we’d all grown out of that. It appears they’re still roaming though.
Now that would make for an interesting Tron movie! Trolls get sucked into not a computer, but their own egos and have to
battle their own fears and insecurities on Light Bikes.
It would be called “Tron: Therapy.”
Thanks for writing and I hope to write about more movies soon.
And of course if there is a movie you’d like to discuss, let me know and I’ll write a blog post about it to discuss!
Cheers, Ry Guy
November 22, 2011 at 12:52 pm
I couldn’t have agreed anymore. They spent little to no time explaining Flynn’s god-like technology. It seems that it breaks the laws of physics. I did not find the storyline compelling in the least. To me, it seemed like another typical no brained film to attract kids for merchandising reasons. I only liked the effects and the soundtrack by Daft Punk. Good job Daft Punk.
November 22, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Thanks for the comment HerdOfSheeps!
I agree–Daft Punk is always interesting and satisfying.
November 23, 2011 at 3:20 am
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November 23, 2011 at 10:42 am
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November 23, 2011 at 10:43 am
hi being boring
December 8, 2011 at 11:27 am
i know this is an old post but i really have to say something about this article that is oh so wrong. i will give you the first 3 because i don’t know why they tried so hard to make him look like a bad ass except to show that he is rebelling against everyone since he has lost his family members. No.4: it is to show the awkwardness between them since Flynn had been gone so long and isn’t that father figure anymore (also the time he spent in the grid before he disappeared). that train thing is a solar sailer which rides beams of information, They didn’t want to make it go fast and draw attention to themselves especially since CLU wanted access to the portal and although they suspected something, didn’t know CLU had an army ready. The Sam and Quorra relationship was very subtle but had to be seen as a hidden affection from Sam’s point of view. No. 5: Quorra was a white ISO, the Isos are supposed to be almost child-like not knowing evil, that had formed themselves from only partial information but were something more, which carried the potential to solve mysteries in science, religion, and medicine. So how is that racist? The black guy in the club is called primitive because he is an older lesser program, much like some of the white primitive programs who died in the beginning and light bike race, you can tell by there voice being more of a digitized sound, maybe there should be more black users writing programs that are up to date, I dunno, but that’s what the programs are: a representation of the person who created the program like TRON is. So stop looking for racism where it is not, that’s what keeps it alive. I would love to see a good blockbuster hit with a black person as the main character, Denzel is awesome but aging and Tron doesn’t look like his thing. I just don’t want the House of Payne cast in Tron, that would ruin it. Wesley Snipes is good but for some reason like Cuba Gooding Jr. has shifted to the straight to DVD movies, and Morgan Freeman would only narrate the movie which we don’t need. No.6: Castor/Zuse is played by Michael Sheen who is English enough said, had a performance that of David Bowie/Ziggy Stardust which I definitely picked up on, but isn’t gay and had an 8 year relationship with Kate Beckinsale who is really hot. No.7: maybe you didn’t try IMAX 3d or try it on a 3d tv at home but it does stand out and although it is a dark movie so was the first, its the subtleties and light effects that are suppose to stand out. No.8: His powers are not upgraded, he uses his powers as a user and creator, which are great to the rest but still have their limitations. He couldn’t get near CLU to pull a (switcharoo) because if he had fought CLU, CLU would grow stronger, and also has many followers. He didn’t become a vacuum he only absorbed CLU almost like a delete/undo function, Disney just went a little overboard with the effects because it was the ending and needed a big bang. He didn’t do this earlier because it would destroy him which would defeat the purpose of escaping. He was also protecting Quorra the last Iso and the portal can only open from the outside. No9: he sent the message because he needed someone to enter so the portal could open which can only be done from the outside. It was more of a theory testing, no one knew for sure if the (not camera), laser would actually bring them in the real world, also think that maybe it wasn’t creating a living being from a computer program but maybe just put what we perceive as human in the real world and really being a program kinda like the users on the grid who could bleed instead of derez. Disney isn’t going to show them launch an attack on LA because humans are real, there was one drop of blood in the whole movie the rest would just derez, its a violence factor in a Disney movie. No 10: again violence factor, they already said the bikes could not go off the grid except the one Flynn had and the light runner. If you recall Flynn sort of hacked Quorra’s disc to fix her arm that had been damaged. No.11: it didn’t take 15 minutes, it was just enough for them to exit by the ships which they entered the club. The only entrance to the club was by the elevator which was damaged when Flynn, Sam, and Quorra were escaping and it dropped to the bottom but was slowed last second. Why are you calling a white girl an Albino? Now who is racist? Albinos lack pigment and have red eyes. Someone needs to read. No.12: would you rather it be called Sam or Flynn? It wouldn’t make since. Although Tron wasn’t in this one as much he was still a factor. If you noticed it was again the subtleties where he did not hurt the users and the Iso Quorra. He was designed to fight in the games, he gives off the ninja vibe due to Hollywood’s obsession with martial arts and now parkour crap. Regular fighting scenes just don’t wow people anymore. Clu made him a bad guy by using his powers (re-writing code or function) he got from Flynn but there was an internal battle inside Tron (his true self-good vs Clu’s coding-bad). When he finally got through that he helped them and it was his demise but if you notice when he is falling through the water his lights turn blue meaning he is good now and possibly alive/stable and may return in a sequel. No.13: Sam was a kid who didn’t know his father that well because he spent so much time in the grid, then his father gets trapped in the grid but didn’t know what happened so now he is non existant in Sam’s life, then his grandparents die while he is young and is cared for by the family friend. So he has a rebel side to him for being alone most his life and having that unanswered question of what happened to his dad. They did over do it with the beginning but I think they made him cocky like that just so after his visit in the grid he is humbled. If he was corrupted by the money he would never have gone in to the grid or even cared about his “dad’s” message. No.14: like you said you have a limited imagination. Your are suppose to just let it be. He talked to Alan (TRON) about making him CEO and taking back the company Monday morning. Then you see Sam just relaxing but showing Quorra how to live life and not as a program/Iso always on your guard, just enjoying the little things we take for granted like the wind in your hair while on a motorcycle or the warmth of the sun.
Sometimes you need to be more open minded when watching movies because unlike a book you are seeing what someone else actually many people have envisioned when reading the script. Never have I seen someone write a lengthy review only to be so wrong as if they didn’t even watch the movie.
anything else you didn’t get just ask. And stop with the racism bullshit!!!
December 9, 2011 at 2:08 am
Paul,
Thank you for writing!
You have the award for giving the most thoughtful, complete, and methodical response to the “Tron” post as of yet (no offense to everyone else).
I hope it is apparent in my post that I am a movie lover. And I like the original Tron. I’m not a ‘hater’ or complainer–I feel strongly about the art of filmmaking and that’s why I tried to point out the perceived failings in this film and perhaps how they might have been averted.
I can sense that you too must be a film lover–so we’ll see eye to eye on that. By the way, if there are any movies you’d like me to write about as a review or analysis, I’d love any suggestions!
Anywho:
I like your points and I can see where you’re coming from. I would only say that while it may be true that characters can have ‘subtle’ relationships I feel that if your hero is to have a ‘love interest’ type like Quorra having some chemistry between them helps out the movie.
I also get that the Flynn father and son dynamic is strained. However, this relationship is a crux of the film…we need to feel a real connection. Like you say they did have a distant relationship to begin with…Ah! that is a problem to the script in my view. Where is the feeling of loss? Think of a moving scene in a film like a character’s dog dies…it is better when that dog was the love of the kid’s life, not just “uh, I didn’t really like that dog anywho…” It is this kind of script failing that makes a film miss the opportunities to matter more to us.
And as I said, I don’t have the most active imagination…but I do want this type of genre film to surprise me. As another example: the Green Lantern movie that just came out with Ryan Reynolds. I didn’t see Hal Jordan do anything interesting with his constructs. Now, I read GL comics and like many of the animated films and I understand the limitations of Hal in the early stages of being in the Corps but…surprise us! I do not watch previews for films because I want all the surprises I can get. I think about the possibilities of what I might see. If they roll out some half baked stuff without catching me off guard, I’m frustrated.
So to the racism issue. Maybe you’re right. Maybe I should have worded my frustration differently. Maybe I should have been more exacting and specific. But looking back on what I wrote again just now, I feel that I was and am coming from a valid place.
If my memory of the film is correct that the silhouettes of the Isos feature a number of folk who appear Black and the only other fellow in the film who’s Black is called ‘primitive’ I’ve got to wonder “what’s up with the casting director of this film?”
Racism to me can be used as a shorthand way of saying “institutions and systems of privilege, access, and power that favor some over others along racial/ethic lines.”
And that is a criticism not just of this film (though it struck me as more overt here) but of Hollywood in general. But we can hold almost any film up to the lens of “how are we seeing men and women being depicted?” or “are we given dynamic and three dimensional characters who are heroes and who also have darker skin?”
I feel that racism, just like poverty, gender inequality, domestic violence, etc–we do well to discuss the ‘hard’ or ‘uncomfortable’ issues in our cultures. It does not perpetuate systems of discrimination or white privilege to discuss them honestly in the public sphere. Rather, I feel that it is silence and apathy that can foster injustice.
As one who writes stories and thinks about films a lot, I know I must hold myself to these same standards. I want to write about and think about stories that challenge stereotypes–I don’t want to be a hypocrite!
Anywho, thanks for taking the time to read MindFlowers and give a thorough response! Any films you’d like to discuss or any other good sci-fi films you’d suggest I watch please lemme know!
Cheers, Ryan
January 10, 2012 at 8:39 am
I understand where you are coming from. I hope you are not patronizing me for my comment. I just wanted you to understand what i saw while watching the movie. I want to thank you for posting what you perceived in the movie, it made me look back on tron and think about what it meant to me and how i felt. I wasn’t trying to insult you or backlash for your posting but I do feel I have to say something when people call out racism when i feel that there is none. You are entitled to your opinions and if you felt that there was a hint of racism maybe there was something there, but i feel there wasn’t and that the general audience/fans of tron didn’t pick up on it. Again i want to thank you for posting about it because I too like to tear a movie apart due to bad acting, poor scripts, mistakes and any inaccuracies. any other films you are working on posting about?
January 1, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Ryan love the site, read, you liked the dude in the Coen’s True Grit sorry to hear that. I hated the movie, not the Mr dude Bridges so much, I liked the new kid hailee steinfeld but couldn’t stand Damon.
could you, if you have seen it post a review of Tin Tin.
Cheers
sorry if this posted in wrong area but Tron Sucks is how i found your site.
January 3, 2012 at 8:47 am
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January 3, 2012 at 8:57 pm
i know this is an old post but i really have to say something about this article that is oh so wrong. i will give you the first 3 because i don’t know why they tried so hard to make him look like a bad ass except to show that he is rebelling against everyone since he has lost his family members. No.4: it is to show the awkwardness between them since Flynn had been gone so long and isn’t that father figure anymore (also the time he spent in the grid before he disappeared). that train thing is a solar sailer which rides beams of information, They didn’t want to make it go fast and draw attention to themselves especially since CLU wanted access to the portal and although they suspected something, didn’t know CLU had an army ready. The Sam and Quorra relationship was very subtle but had to be seen as a hidden affection from Sam’s point of view. No. 5: Quorra was a white ISO, the Isos are supposed to be almost child-like not knowing evil, that had formed themselves from only partial information but were something more, which carried the potential to solve mysteries in science, religion, and medicine. So how is that racist? The black guy in the club is called primitive because he is an older lesser program, much like some of the white primitive programs who died in the beginning and light bike race, you can tell by there voice being more of a digitized sound, maybe there should be more black users writing programs that are up to date, I dunno, but that’s what the programs are: a representation of the person who created the program like TRON is. So stop looking for racism where it is not, that’s what keeps it alive. I would love to see a good blockbuster hit with a black person as the main character, Denzel is awesome but aging and Tron doesn’t look like his thing. I just don’t want the House of Payne cast in Tron, that would ruin it. Wesley Snipes is good but for some reason like Cuba Gooding Jr. has shifted to the straight to DVD movies, and Morgan Freeman would only narrate the movie which we don’t need. No.6: Castor/Zuse is played by Michael Sheen who is English enough said, had a performance that of David Bowie/Ziggy Stardust which I definitely picked up on, but isn’t gay and had an 8 year relationship with Kate Beckinsale who is really hot. No.7: maybe you didn’t try IMAX 3d or try it on a 3d tv at home but it does stand out and although it is a dark movie so was the first, its the subtleties and light effects that are suppose to stand out. No.8: His powers are not upgraded, he uses his powers as a user and creator, which are great to the rest but still have their limitations. He couldn’t get near CLU to pull a (switcharoo) because if he had fought CLU, CLU would grow stronger, and also has many followers. He didn’t become a vacuum he only absorbed CLU almost like a delete/undo function, Disney just went a little overboard with the effects because it was the ending and needed a big bang. He didn’t do this earlier because it would destroy him which would defeat the purpose of escaping. He was also protecting Quorra the last Iso and the portal can only open from the outside. No9: he sent the message because he needed someone to enter so the portal could open which can only be done from the outside. It was more of a theory testing, no one knew for sure if the (not camera), laser would actually bring them in the real world, also think that maybe it wasn’t creating a living being from a computer program but maybe just put what we perceive as human in the real world and really being a program kinda like the users on the grid who could bleed instead of derez. Disney isn’t going to show them launch an attack on LA because humans are real, there was one drop of blood in the whole movie the rest would just derez, its a violence factor in a Disney movie. No 10: again violence factor, they already said the bikes could not go off the grid except the one Flynn had and the light runner. If you recall Flynn sort of hacked Quorra’s disc to fix her arm that had been damaged. No.11: it didn’t take 15 minutes, it was just enough for them to exit by the ships which they entered the club. The only entrance to the club was by the elevator which was damaged when Flynn, Sam, and Quorra were escaping and it dropped to the bottom but was slowed last second. Why are you calling a white girl an Albino? Now who is racist? Albinos lack pigment and have red eyes. Someone needs to read. No.12: would you rather it be called Sam or Flynn? It wouldn’t make since. Although Tron wasn’t in this one as much he was still a factor. If you noticed it was again the subtleties where he did not hurt the users and the Iso Quorra. He was designed to fight in the games, he gives off the ninja vibe due to Hollywood’s obsession with martial arts and now parkour crap. Regular fighting scenes just don’t wow people anymore. Clu made him a bad guy by using his powers (re-writing code or function) he got from Flynn but there was an internal battle inside Tron (his true self-good vs Clu’s coding-bad). When he finally got through that he helped them and it was his demise but if you notice when he is falling through the water his lights turn blue meaning he is good now and possibly alive/stable and may return in a sequel. No.13: Sam was a kid who didn’t know his father that well because he spent so much time in the grid, then his father gets trapped in the grid but didn’t know what happened so now he is non existant in Sam’s life, then his grandparents die while he is young and is cared for by the family friend. So he has a rebel side to him for being alone most his life and having that unanswered question of what happened to his dad. They did over do it with the beginning but I think they made him cocky like that just so after his visit in the grid he is humbled. If he was corrupted by the money he would never have gone in to the grid or even cared about his “dad’s” message. No.14: like you said you have a limited imagination. Your are suppose to just let it be. He talked to Alan (TRON) about making him CEO and taking back the company Monday morning. Then you see Sam just relaxing but showing Quorra how to live life and not as a program/Iso always on your guard, just enjoying the little things we take for granted like the wind in your hair while on a motorcycle or the warmth of the sun.
Sometimes you need to be more open minded when watching movies because unlike a book you are seeing what someone else actually many people have envisioned when reading the script. Never have I seen someone write a lengthy review only to be so wrong as if they didn’t even watch the movie.
anything else you didn’t get just ask. And stop with the racism bullshit!!!
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January 10, 2012 at 8:16 am
hey hugo closeminded im going to insult you ha ha ha and then never respond back to you and your going troll this site for ever and ever hoping for a response that will never come ha ha ha TRON SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 10, 2012 at 8:24 am
what did hugo say? all i can read is what he copied and pasted of my comment.
January 10, 2012 at 11:10 am
Hello dumbo bagins and Paul (great unique name)
I just wanted to play a little joke on you guys because i was so amazed by your comment paul, great commitment and it was an honour for you to mention my name and I sorry if i insulted you but i just want to spread your wonderful master piece. I mean no disrespect and if i have offended you then I am sorry.
Best Regards
Hugo Klose (not close)
January 10, 2012 at 11:20 am
did i attack you hugo? i don’t think so. i was just wondering why dumbo was so mad when all you did was just copy and paste my comment. I am not offended and I encourage anyone to post actual insight on this movie instead of people just blasting one another. also dumbo said he was going to insult you but he never really did.
January 10, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Hi Paul
Thank-you for understanding and I think people need to read you comment which is the most insightful comment made on this website.
I don’t mean no disrespect.
Cheers Hugo Klose
January 10, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Hugo Klose came crawling back from your dirty little jewish hole. Why don’t you go back to your hole and cry over your grandma’s dead body. Do you have nothing to do with your life is that why you spend all day on this review site and go to bed at 7:30pm. Does your mum still tuck you in and kiss good night. Go follow your gay dreams and leave this site at once
January 14, 2012 at 10:40 pm
yeah its a bad movie and hardly creative even for the original. And please don’t bother justifying an opinion to someone unless you actually enjoy it. People are pawns
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January 15, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I cannot believe the ridiculousness of the comments that people leave on here . . everyone wants to trash this sequel, and (gathering from the number of people saying they didn’t understand certain things) they clearly have not even seen the first movie! For those of you who did, you ought to be ashamed for trashing the sequel . . .
What the first movie had:
-A fairly “thin” story-plot according to “your” definitions (a teenager trapped in a man’s body who works for a software company tries to reclaim the rights to the programs he created to gain his recognition).
-Pretty advanced graphics for its time.
-“Campy”/corny dialogue according to “your” definitions.
The first movie was fun though. For themes (if you are stupid enough to not understand something so obvious), you have defending your honor/claiming your stolen genius, loyalty, creativity of the human mind, the danger of one’s actions that can lead to evil people having power/consequences. among many others.
What the second movie had:
-Amazing imaging
-A more dramatic and developed plot
-Cool “intermediate” characters (will be explained).
-A number of analogies and themes (contrary to what you claim what with your inability to see things so obvious).
The second movie was even more fun than the first. As someone stated, it was a great popcorn movie. Themes that exist are sacrifice for something greater and those you love (remember the obvious “removing oneself from the equation” direction towards that theme with the greatest example of that being shown at the end with Kevin Flynn reintegrating with his CLU), the depths of unbounded love, having hope and faith even though what is possible seems impossible.
The dialogue may have been slow, but it was more “thoughtful” meaning the people actually seemed real and not “programmed” like many other characters on screen (the people actually seemed like they were thinking about what they were going to say).
Yeah the movie was “stop-and-go” as many called it, but is that not more realistic of what happens for people in dire straights? All the big events are formed by small actions, dialogue, and decisions that lead up to those big events.
If you had a problem with the 3D and the dark imaging, you must have eye problems or glaucoma because the imaging was phenominal!
You guys did not get Sam’s character because you failed to understand the idea of the presumed orphaned kid who never fully dealt with the idea of his missing father, his rebellion of the cold greed of Encom that took hold after Kevin Flynn disappeared, his hidden hope of his father being alive (why else would he go to the arcade; he could of just completely disregarded Allan Bradley’s news about the page).
Why is CLU’s luring Sam weak? He was a corrupted program that wanted out of the Grid to extend his dystopia just like the MCP in Tron 1. If he knew he could lure Sam, and thus open the portal, why wouldn’t he if that was the only way to get out of the Grid?
Obviously Kevin Flynn could not get out off the Grid; did you not pay attention about the explanation of that in the movie, or were you too busy picking apart every stupid thing in the movie? Also, obviously, Kevin could have destroyed CLU at any time, BUT IT WAS STATED IN THE MOVIE THAT DOING SO WOULD DESTROY HIM. Plus, he was with his son that he had not seen in twenty-something years. So, he wanted to try to get out with his son, but he knew it would be difficult, and if he had to face the fact that he would inevitably have to confront CLU, he wanted a plan to ensure that CLU would not win (hence the disk-swapping).
I swear, you must not have payed attention to any darn thing in the whole movie. I’m sorry the movie didn’t go at an unrealistic lighting-fast pace; I’m sorry you were unable to pick up on subtleties and nuances that existed in the movie; I’m sorry that you can’t watch a movie, enjoy it as much as you can while it plays on screen, and then analyze it at the end when everything is said and done.
YOU=FAIL, TRON 2=AWESOME! TRON 3 WILL EQUAL AWESOMEX10!
January 15, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Matthew:
True that. You’re right that I neglected to note that Flynn would be destroyed if CLU was destroyed.
That’s an important/pivotal plot note.
Your comments=win
Our shared love of movies=equal
Your taste in films=I’m hesitant, but hey–how’s this: suggest other films of Tron’s genre for MindFlowers to discuss and analyze or other films that you fully enjoy and maybe we can see some common ground.
And you’re right on. I do need to allow myself to be ‘immersed’ in a movie experience and put aside all the judgments for later.
Sometimes I get myself locked into one interpretation and follow it to its end, even if when all is said and done it might not fit the film.
For example, sometimes I see myself thinking of a film in terms of classism through a Marxist lens and when I talk to others about it they
want to throw their Jamba Juice in my face.
Mad props for writin’ in to MindFlowers Matthew!
Ry
January 15, 2012 at 11:55 pm
that is a good review. check out mine a few posts up, someone reposted my comment too. I had to break it down to explain each analyzed scenario that they got wrong too. I feel too many people didn’t just watch it and enjoy it like you are suppose to. instead they over analyzed everything and somehow forgot what was said before. Too many people want an in your face action throughout the entire movie. I watched tron legacy several times before i decided to come to any conclusions. Overall it was a great movie. anyways let me know what you think of my post.
January 22, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Awesome points made!
January 22, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Just wanted to say great job to Paul on that first post he wrote up. Pretty much hit every point on the head about what you didn’t seem to get about the film. I feel as strongly about this fil
As he did and reading some of the hate comments I saw on here made me want to comment on what was said but Paul beat me to it.
January 26, 2012 at 11:54 am
There are a few other inconsistencies that have not been addressed anywhere and it appears that this blog has the sense to call out bad film-making:
1) If the first film is to be honored, then character consistency should be a focal point. The most prominent example of this would be in Tron’s distinctive fighting style. In the original film (as can be clearly seen in the 5-way disc battle between Tron and four MCP programs) Tron has a very masculine throwing style, throwing the disc with stength and force and finessing with a couple of moves on the ground. He is NOT a martial arts kung-fu flipping ninja disc-throwing master. What’s up with that? The reason we can’t mentally accept Rinzler as a representation of a Clu-serving Tron is that he doesn’t resemble Tron in any way. Even in the Legacy scene of Flynn recounting how Clu turned against him, Tron can be seen fighting in his original style – the way Bruce Boxleitner would move and fight.
2) Are we forgetting that games in the computer world are supposed to represent games being played by a user? What would be the purpose of gladiatorial games in the new Clu-controlled environment? In the original, programs feared deresolution and look scared to be in the games. Remember the opening scene of the original? Sark was racing against a program that was pissing himself in fear. Why would programs in the Legacy world want to attend gladiatorial games in which they are watching their fellow programs being de-rezzed? You can see in the quick shots of spectators that their are blue and red programs enjoying the sport together. Why? Are we to believe these programs are in attendance because that is their function? It’s clear that Clu is continuing the MCP practice of rounding up programs against their will to be forced into the games. I can’t imagine how a virtual society would rally together for games when Clu’s tyranny would scare any program into hiding.
3) As a young reviewer on You-Tube was astute to point out, suits in the original Tron are not suits, they ARE the virtual representation of the program. When Flynn was transported originally, he appeared in the form of a program because he was in fact digitized. Why would a suit be put on Sam? If he is transported to the virtual world, shouldn’t he, like Flynn, be a digitized representation of himself? this would mean that the suit wouldn’t be a suit but in fact part of his body. We see further evidence of the suits representing the essence of programs in the original Tron when their circuits flare with emotion (i.e. Sark getting pissed). Also, the liquid energy in the original, when consumed, caused the circuits to glare brightly as if indeed power is being supplied/restored. What happenned when the MCP zapped Sark’s power? Yep, his circuits looked like fading intermittent pulses. So this whole concept of slinky women placing a suit on Sam suggests that, like us, the world of programs is fascinated by fancy LED eye candy. Programs into fashion? I guess that would explain Zuse’s flare for style, because quite frankly his character is also inconsistent, which brings me to my next point.
4) Isn’t Zuse supposed to be the leader of the resistance who fought alongside the Iso’s? This sounds like a major conflict/battle that would have changed that virtual world and have been more important than just a quick plot device used to explain away the extinction of the Iso’s. Are we really to believe that Zuse, a respected fighting program/entity with a heart that fought against the Clu-establishment, would be nothing more than a flamboyant club-owner? The characterization does not match the character’s own history. Zuse could have been utilized for so more more in the story. However, the Iso plot point is contrived, so anything relating to it is also contrived, hence Zuse’s implausible existence as said club owner.
5) The world of the orignial Tron is far more expansive and intriguing than the relatively few and limited settings in Legacy. The light-cycle crash that resulted in a hole in the grid wall led us to a wide-open virtual environment in which programs on the run could actually explore. Roaming tanks, energy wells, I/O towers in the distance, and a seemingly much larger game grid all gave us the sensation that we were immersed in a digital world. Take the Legacy game grid for instance. Sure, there are multiple gaming planes on which the light-cycle action can unfold, and the light-cycles can essentially maneuver in ways that a motorcycle does, but all that action seems so stuffed into a small arena and you don’t get the massive feel of the original. Take for instance Clu’s tank in the original. When he enters the grid and spots the recognizers on the horizon, the grid seems endless, looming, and intimidating. You really got the sense that Clu was in deep trouble and was being chased down. That is completely lost in Legacy. The world seems confined and limited to real-world representations (i.e. oceans, dinner table, roasted pig, and illuminated umbrella – c’mon really?). The Legacy world does not feel like a different world. It feels like present reality in a futuristic night club.
There is so much more to be said, but that would require a dissertation on the subject. For those wondering why so much time is taken to pick apart a movie like this, remember that movies like Tron and Star Wars have connections to our childhood memories and are more than just movies that are here today gone tomorrow . To see an original being stepped on without regard to the elements that made the original a work of art and a cultural statement is offensive. Besides, where else can we vent these frustrations? Fellow Tron fans understand these issues, my wife could care less! Thanks for giving us an outlet.
January 27, 2012 at 12:39 am
Tomas de Gato,
Thank ye much for the comment!
You said it well and touched on some subjects that I had missed completely.
I totally appreciate that you and others (I among them) do pick apart movies like this because
we are ‘the dreamers’–the people who will help encourage big vision for movies and the arts rather
than just sitting back all the time.
I imagine that any artist or creative hearted person will want to elevate the discussion around and the
production of arts because we care so deeply about it!
Thanks for your clear and thorough analysis and critique–
Ry Guy
January 29, 2012 at 9:23 am
Just read your blog on your opinions about Tron:Legacy, and will have to respectfuly disagree. Why? I’ll go point by point;
1)Kevin Flynn wasn’t a man who got to “live inside video games” as you stated in the first film – he was a wronged computer programmer/turned video game creator, trying to hack into the ENCOM 511 to get proof that he was wrongly fired and that his work was stolen by his former boss, Ed Dillinger. When the MCP (Master Control Program) detected this, the MCP sucked Kevin inside the Game Grid (NOT the same system in TRON: LEGACY) in an effort to kill him, much like those who were thrown into the Roman Colisseum in ancient times; also, WHY did Sam pull the stunts he did – to prove to ENCOM that they were again STEALING Kevin Flynn’s work, which is clearly shown in the boardroom scene;
2)Why does Sam speed down the road on his motorcycle?? Hmmm. . .if YOU were pulling a corporate stunt, wouldn’t you want to do it WITHOUT POSSIBLY BEING DETECTED??? Hence the reason why he was speeding. Also, at that point, Sam was reckless and didn’t care, much like a young Kevin Flynn;
3)The taxi driver swerving to get Sam off – yes, this was a little over-the-top, however I’ve seen it done in PLENTY of other films, and no one seemed to have a problem with it before;
4)The “train” thing is called a SOLAR SAILER and as far as a chemistry between Sam and Quorra IT IS THERE if you watch carefully, starting when she rescues him from the light cycle grid on through the end of the film. As far as, “Let’s have dinner”, this was an attempt by Kevin to reunite and catch up with his Son. How would YOU have re-united with your long-lost father?
5)The ISOs and Racism – I partially agree with you on this one, and I put this on BAD WRITING (when you hire the writers of the TV series, “LOST” to write a film script, you’re bound to end up with serious flaws). Ironically, in the TRON: THE BETRAYAL comic book, and in the TRON: EVOLUTION videogame, all the programs, BASICS(non-ISOs), and ISOs come in many different colors. I too, would have loved seeing Bartik (the Black ISO with the slash in his face) not be reduced to a “primitive” revolutionary with unfufilled revolutionary ambitions, as well as more non-white programs in the film plotting a revolution against the forces of CLU 2.0; I agree with you a huge deal on this point, and that’s why I’m writing my own TRON fanfic. Instead of just getting mad about things like this, we must create our own to counter it;
6)The “overly gay” baddie – this isn’t exactly true. We don’t know if ZUSE is gay, especially since he had the Siren named GEM, with him. The actor who played him, Michael Sheen, based him on David Bowie’s ZIGGY STARDUST character. Why do I say this? Read here: http://www.contactmusic.com/news/michael-sheens-bowieinspired-character_1155197 AND here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2010/jul/25/michael-sheen-tron-david-bowie. I hated Zuse/Castor, too, because he was an ISO in denial, and he sold out Sam, Kevin, Quorra and all the other programs, but I understand why he was over the top;
7 & 8)Legacy vs the first TRON film – that’s because TRON (1982) took place inside the ENCOM 511; Legacy takes place inside a DIFFERENT SERVER, a secret, isolated server in the basement of Kevin’s arcade (sources: http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/03/05/tron-legacy-director-we-are-on-a-new-server-now/ AND http://io9.com/5697228/building-the-grid-a-conversation-with-tron-legacy-director-joe-kosinski AND http://guitarsandmoviesblog.com/2010/12/interview-with-tron-legacys-director-joseph-kosinski/ AND several others);
9)Though Kevin has been missing for 20 real-world years, time in the Grid goes much faster; therefore, Kevin feels he’s been stuck inside the Grid for over 1,000 Years due to something called TIME DILATION, which the writers should have explained, but it is explained here: http://disney.go.com/tron/html/codex/tron-universe.html. Therefore, wouldn’t someone’s mental faculties be a little wonky after 1,000 years????;
10)These were cyberversions of the ancient gladiatorial games from the Ancient Roman Empire, that’s why the games were as they were in the film; however, you did see discs being hacked, i.e., when Kevin was fixing Quorra;
11 & 12) Agreed, and agreed again – I, too, hated how TRON/RINZLER was minimized in the film, however, they do hint at the end of the film that Tron isn’t dead, as we see his circuits change color after falling into the Sea of Simulation; again, bad writing (those DAMNED “Lost” writers!!!!);
13)Disagree – Sam does develop, although, due to bad writing again, it’s not completely obvious. He is angry at his Father, hence why he pulls the sutnts he does, and hence, his disrespectful comments towards Alan Bradley when Alan comes to his apartment. He also hasn’t reallly taken his position at ENCOM seriously, therefore he wouldn’t have been corrupted by it. While he hates his Dad’s disappearance, he hates ENCOM, because just in the first film, they again are stealing his Dad’s work. Once Sam is in the grid though, and after LEARNING the situation, his goal then becomes to free his Dad, get rid of Clu, and afterwards, take control of ENCOM with the help of Alan Bradley as Chairman. At the end of the film, Sam has reached some level of maturity;
14)I agree to a point – I too, would have loved another board room scene where Sam and Alan show up, and lay the corporate smackdown on Richard Mackey, and the top brass at ENCOM.
*One final point – how was Quorra able to materialize into a human? Basically, when one is digitized by the Shiva Laser (the “camera” as you called it) their biological makeup is turned into molecular material which is stored in one of two canisters at the base of the laser, while said person is in the GRID or inside the ENCOM 511 (from the first film); the other canister contains carbon and water. In the computer, the person is reconstituted as code. However, when Quorra and Sam came out, Sam was reconstructed with his biogentic molecules, and Quorra pulled from the carbon and water from Kevin Flynn’s biogenetic molecules. This is explained here: http://www.scifitv.com.au/blog/?ReferenceID=2011/04/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-tron-legacy/. Again, the script should have explained this.
In the end, Tron: Legacy was a great SEQUEL concept marred by bad writing and pacing that could have been much better. It also would have been much better if it pointed out that it was a WOMAN who pioneered the laser that transported people back and forth between the real and digital worlds, a character known as DR. LORA BAINES-BRADLEY, and her digital counterpart was YORI. Thank you for the opportunity to respond.
Best Regards,
Critical Eye
January 30, 2012 at 2:18 am
Dear Critical Eye,
I wish that WordPress had a ‘like’ tag or a star feature so that your post could be read directly after mine.
What I love about this humble post I’d written is that I’ve been introduced to so many other Tron fans–
but I believe you take home the trophy for the most informed Tron fan (not to start a competition or anything–but if anyone else wants to compete, I’d love to see it!).
You bring great points to the table and brought clarity to my views and I’ll be required to re-edit my post.
If you don’t mind, I will paste your comment directly into my original post crediting you so that it won’t be missed.
Thanks, Ry
January 31, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Ryan,
Thank you so very much. I know my post reeked of “verbal diarrhea” (LMAO!!!!) – but, I felt the length was necessary to explain and substantiate my take on this topic. Thanks for the compliments – actually, there’s a guy over at tron-sector.com who goes by the name of DaveTRON, another named ShadowSpark, and another guy named Jay West who are a little more knowledgeable than me – those guys are like JEDI MASTERS with their Tron knowledge, LOL!!!!
In the end, as much as I am a passionate Tron geek, I also am a rational one, and I’d be remiss if I didn’t admit that I had some disappointments with TRON: LEGACY. If the task of writing the screenplay for Legacy had been in my hands, I would have made things a little more different and sensible, as I love to write, and I could write a “book” on all the changes I would have made (plus I’m writing a Tron-based FanFic, too, and in writing it, am trying HARD not to commit the same mistakes that the writers of Legacy did). I’ve gotta say the, “TRON: THE BETRAYAL” graphic novel, and the “TRON:EVOLUTION”, videogame did a better job of explaining and setting up things about the Tron (and more specifically, Tron: Legacy)universe.
In closing, you can certainly paste my comment directly into your original post -just credit me. Thanks again.
Respectfully,
Critical Eye
February 2, 2012 at 12:40 am
Thanks again CriticalEye and when you get your fanfic up, let us know here at
MindFlowers would you?
Cheers, RyGuy
February 2, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Ryan,
Thanks so much, again. It’s taking me a while to do my fanfic (outside of Fatherhood, working, and some video production I do on the side). TRON will appear in it, as well as Alan Bradley, Alan’s Wife Dr. Lora Baines-Bradley, and Kevin Flynn (to an extent), but he doesn’t play a major part in it (I’m not giving him the Rinzler treatment, LOL!!!!, but there’s another reason why). It’s called, “The 3rd Sector” and centers around a group of ancient programs who reside in the hidden nooks and crannies of the main hard drive of ENCOM’s server. Let’s just say that they were driven underground by a certain red menace (and I don’t mean communism) from the first TRON film. It will take place between the first Tron flm and right before Kevin Flynn disappears, in the year 1989. The main character is a young talented programmer named KAMAU WALKER. The plan is to do the fanfic in screenplay format. Will keep you posted. Again, thanks for your kind words and I’ll be checking back with you in awhile.
Respectfully,
Critical Eye
March 11, 2012 at 7:56 am
Hello Again, Ryan:
Thanks for this opportunity. How have you and yours been? Hope everyone and everything is good. Me and mine are doing well – just been busy working, being a Father and Husband.
Without further ado, here’s a secure link for the first several pages of my very rough draft Work-In-Progress Fan Fic Screenplay: http://www.filedropper.com/the3rdsctrpdf1.
Before I go, let me stress the following:
*Being that this is a not-for-profit fan fic, there are several copyrighted elements created by Disney Pictures, Steven Lisberger & Bonnie MacBird, as well as some others. All rights reserved where applicable*
*There are several references to the original film as well as real and imaginary things from the last 73 years
I tried posting a detailed explanation of the symbols and references previously, but was unable to. Enjoy, and thanks again for the opportunity!
Respectfully,
Critical Eye
March 21, 2012 at 4:12 am
Thank you very much for this Critical Eye!
Sorry about the tardy reply–
February 2, 2012 at 7:19 am
Of all the points listed, I just find it comical that it isn’t a far stretch for you to “believe” a person can go into a computer program but a program can’t come out in the form of a person… If you choose to watch this movie, I would think it would be understood that the believability envelope would be pushed.
February 29, 2012 at 5:59 pm
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March 13, 2012 at 1:44 am
1. What are all these TVs doing sitting in this rather large room?
2. Putting a digitized Jeff Bridges just made this cheesy from the start. He looks too creepy/pedophile-like.
3. Why is this kid’s room right in the front of the house, so unsafe. Did he just go out that door, of course he did. That’s why kids can’t have their rooms right there.
4. And this is why bikes get bad reps; because they drive like douches and kids think that’s cool.
5. That red blinking security thing is so old school. Why didn’t that security guard call for backup? If this is such a major company, why the hell did they only hire one guard?
6. It should be very fucking windy on top of that building.
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7. This is base jumping, not skydiving. There is no pull away tab.
8. What flashlight is that, Surefire? Jesus, it’s so bright and small. I like how he’s carrying around a flashlight.
9. How is there still power to this place? You see the timer running on the desktop that’s been on for 20 years. Who the hell is paying for this massive electricity bill?
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10. Why is the future or futuristic stuff always so grim and dim?
11. How is this inefficient flying machine moving forward- the slight lean? I doubt that.
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12. This is also very inefficient, the 4 slowly moving robotic Playboy bunnies, putting shit on him.
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13. The disc looks like it could get caught up on a lot of things. Maybe they should have made little usb ports instead.
14. Why do you have eye protection if you get cut in half anyways?
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15. Aren’t their disc thingies supposed to be lit up at all times?
16. I like the lightning/storm and fireworks. You would think that would mean bad things are happening to the electronics in this world. Like someone got water on something.
17. This baldish guy, lol. “I just want to cover my face, not my ears or back of the head.”
18. Why doesn’t Sam just use the other guy’s motorcycle stick thing?
19. “Get in!” Dude, you’re stalling. You are wearing white, this car is white, that means you’re on the same team. I wouldn’t even think twice about it. There are only two colors in this world.
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20. “They can’t go off terrain.” “What about us?” “Obviously.” WHY IS THIS EVEN IN THE SCRIPT?????
21. I’m a little apprehensive right now because my first dad just tried to kill me, so sorry you’re not getting a big hug.
22. So I haven’t seen you in 20 years and you want to wait until dinner to talk?????
23. You can tell what daddy has a fetish for. Latex.
24. How are they getting food, this whole food situation doesn’t make any sense. Even if it’s electronic, at that point why would you even need it?
25. This movie is way too dependent on visual effects… hey! Just like “Skyline”!
26. “Clu saw the isos as an imperfection.” Like Jews. “Killed them off like genocide.” Like Jews! Jesus, Disney.
27. What is this little pool of water for- ambiance? Retarded zen-themed cave condo you have here.
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28. Great meeting dad, I’ll just go then since you’re being a little bitch.
29. Good thing I wasn’t already out of my one-sie when you walked in without asking.
30. Sure, whatever Daft Punk puts out is good, but why did everyone freak over this soundtrack? It’s “meh”. And there they are, in the movie. Of course.
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31. This growling black stig is so annoying. Any time the camera pans to him, he has to make some sort of growl/purr noise.
32. You think that’s Hypnotic? Like, that’s all they’re allowed to drink in this world?
33. This Gem chick can’t decide which side of Castrol she wants to be on. Left, right, left, right.
34. Why does there always have to be some woman crying somewhere in a fight scene?
35. If they are freaking out so bad that Clu is going to show up in the real world and create havoc, can’t they just get there first and shoot him in the face when he pops up? It’s so simple.
36. Every time Jeff Bridges shows up in a scene, I just want to give him a few razor blades. Or a gun for quickness. Just kill yourself, dude.
37. Wait, she just woke up. There’s no way that she would know that Clu got the disc.
38. “Out there is our victory!” Unenthusiastic “Yay.” Dude, turn around and talk to them. Why do the villains always have to give their speeches facing the opposite direction?
39. That was the worst part of the movie, “Radical man!”
40. So dramatic- look through the empty disc area at the ship flying away.
41. This thing is just like the Millennium Falcon.
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42. “Have a nice swim!” *facepalm*
43. “It’s jammed!” No, it’s not working because it was shot at.
44. I like how the Tron character was barely even in this, lol. They should have called this movie “Flynn” instead.
45. I really just sat through all that bullshit about how epic the digital future is going to be, all for them to fight it out on a ledge?
46. Talk about Supernova go pop. Why didn’t he just do that before?
47. Mortal Kombat? That’s early 90’s, wtf.
48. How’d she get clothes? Did they go shopping really quick?
49. Way to barf out an ending, btw.
50. They’re really going slow on this motorcycle. Their hair is barely blowing in the wind…
March 26, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Im sorry man but all I read was this and I HAVE to respond so ALL OF YOU SEE IT
#46…
Flynn didnt destroy it all because he was protecting Quorra until he could get her OUT he had NO choice but to sit and WAIT…once he KNEW she was on her way out he did what he had to do to stop CLU and end it….which we will learn in DESTINY was NOT the end by the way…I’ll just say that there are some programs that may have seemed to be deleted, but they can be re-written in a new place…on a new server….We did not see the end of FLYNN just the re-integration of THAT GRID….dont worry….you’ll see soon….FLYNN LIVES!!!
March 14, 2012 at 9:01 am
Real riches include the riches possessed inside.
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March 26, 2012 at 10:36 pm
I must say that it is pretty obvious you, none of the haters actually, gave this film its proper chance…discrediting it BEFORE seeing it is obviously going to taint your ability to REALLY watch it….some of your views and criticisms are just plain idiotic and scream of detail based soley on hollow opinion…as if someone giving a review without actually seeing a film…I love this movie and have seen it enough times and followed it down to the second story-wise and can easily point out all of the nods to the original, tha “arc” and the hints at the plot for TRON:DESTINY….which is already in production.
Bottom Line: TRON:Legacy A-
This review D+…I mean hey I cant give an F you obviously put in some effort…so we’ll just say you get a D for effort 🙂
FLYNN LIVES!!!!
April 2, 2012 at 3:02 am
Thank you Johnny Bray!
We here at MindFlowers aim for a solid ‘D’ across the board so a D+ is a true achievement!
I get horrible exam anxiety and get all ‘shaky’ when taking online dating site
“compatibility tests.”
As a result I get hooked up almost exclusively with relatives and my church’s youth pastor.
Yes, my aunt is cute and everything but no thanks! My uncle would be pissed if we went on a second date!
In my defense, I am not a hater.
There are many things I hate (ingrown hairs, ingrown toenails, boils, abscesses, inflammations, etc)
but movies are not included.
And I did give Tron Legacy a chance. I did.
After I ignored it on Google Chat for a while I finally texted it and was like:
“Wuz so over it but U got 1 more chance.”
And after giving it four mores chances I realized it was a toxic relationship and I needed out.
But you know what?
I can dig that people like it. I’ve grown to accept that.
I give your comment an A+ and I encourage you to comment a lot more at MindFlowers: “Where the Internet Works Up A Healthy Sweat.”
Ryan
May 18, 2012 at 1:12 am
Oh come on people the original Tron was made in the eighties. These guys were just being creative and they did a pretty damn good job. i’d like to see any of you do it better. The story line wasn’t the greatest, but it was ok. The special effects were amazing, and they had Goddamned Daft Punk make the music! It was a brilliant movie! So just shut up and enjoy the creativity. And quit being whiny little nerds!
June 16, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Hey um TRON LEGACY sucked just does….. but now so does PROMETHEUS
AHHHHHHHHH
Seen it twice thought it interesting the first time which is not a 100% endorsement. The second viewing I wanted to scream at the screen but out of
politeness to my ticket purchasing neighbors, I just raised my middle finger in silent protest several times as character motivations and plot points became infuriating FIFIELD IS THE JAR JAR BINKS OF THIS FILM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 10, 2012 at 12:56 am
I happen to like the movie, as do my 8- and 4-year-old children. (DD insists on being called “Quorra” now.) The comments here provide interesting analyses of the various aspects of the movie that my family has discussed. I do have one comment that I haven’t seen made. C.L.U. sent out the page to Alan, hoping that Alan would open the portal. C.L.U. seemed SURPRISED that it was Sam who arrived. He says something like, “So it’s only you?” (I can’t remember exactly, but clearly he was expecting someone else.) But once Sam is there, C.L.U. chooses to make him the bait to draw out Kevin Flynn. It is unclear exactly what C.L.U. was trying to accomplish, but we can speculate that he simply needed to portal to be opened. Getting Sam was a bonus. (Do we even know whether C.L.U. knew that Sam existed? Did Kevin tell C.L.U. he had a son in the “real” world?)
It also is unclear how he was going to get Flynn’s disc in his “original” plan (whatever is was exactly). He did need that disc to fulfill his grand plan, and the nature of the portal’s existence did not give him much time. Perhaps he was hoping Alan would be sufficient bait.
July 10, 2012 at 2:13 am
the reason people haven’t made that comment is because it was discussed in the movie. He sent the page out to Alan hoping either he or someone else would get it and open the portal. It is clear what C.L.U was trying to accomplish. He wanted to make the grid a perfect world just as Flynn told him to but took things to far, then after conquering that world wanted to move into our (imperfect) world with an army to purify it just as he already did. His mission was to make a perfect world because he was programmed to do so but only made things worse, after he attacked Flynn and the ISO’s, Flynn learned that you can’t make it perfect but it is the imperfections that make it so great. The portal could only be opened from the outside, that is why C.L.U sent the page, hoping Alan (a user) would come through and they could use him as bait or use his disk because that grid was made by Flynn and Alan. Those 2 disks were sort of a Master Key for him to get out instead of a basic user’s disk. That’s why C.L.U didn’t head towards the portal when it was open, everyone had to see it, Flynn and Sam could see it from Flynn’s house which was further away than C.L.U and his army. Yes C.L.U knew about Sam. Remember what C.L.U stands for? codified likeness utility, Flynn copied himself to have someone help him build a perfect world to work when he wasn’t there but would do the exact same things he would. If he copied himself after his son was born then C.L.U would know about Sam, which we are assuming since the first movie was in 82, and Sam is seven when Flynn disappears in 89. Take the fact that it would have taken some time to have Dillinger fired, gain control of the company, and create a new grid. So C.L.U probably knew about Sam from the moment he was created. If you are a fan then that is great but I highly doubt that your family has discussed the things on this page that the actual fans here have. Not insulting you or anything but if you have not realized the answers to your questions you asked on your own, because they were answered in the movie, then you definitely haven’t discussed the significance of key points, or gone as in depth as some of the previous points. This movie has a lot of symbolism. Look at my previous (long) post and especially critical eye’s post. We are some true fans and understood this movie but are still not the most knowledgeable hardcore fans, even critical eye admits that there are others out there that know more than we do. I hope you can do some research, maybe ask the true fans some questions about the movie and then watch it again so that you may understand it better. Not putting you down but from what I gathered you and your family liked the movie for what was put in front of you (the special effects, music, and fight scene) but did not truly pic up on the subtleties. I know your children wouldn’t but an adult should. I believe people who did put this movie down didn’t pay as much attention. Most of the public likes to watch movies that have the newest special effects with explosions vs an in depth story that if you were to pay enough attention would show you a whole world created as a back story, would have the emotions that are not always over the top trying to get an award. I like to think of this movie as inception, the idea was placed in my head and it just keeps growing and growing. If you really understand the movie, the grid, and its character’s then you could think of any situation and find the solution on your own. Its a shame to see so many movies that could have been great that were marketed to everyone especially kids only to be ruined. Being a father I do like how Disney can make a children’s movie and put in jokes that the parents will pick up on while the kids don’t and enjoy the movie anyways. (I have a daughter so Tangled is on repeat at my house)
July 10, 2012 at 7:29 am
Wow, thanks for your extensive reply! In my first post I merely was pointing out that PPs had said that C.L.U. sent the page to lure Sam into the grid, and I don’t think that’s quite accurate, as evidenced by C.L.U.’s reaction upon meeting Sam. I also don’t think it necessarily follows that Alan’s disc would do C.L.U. any good. Alan wasn’t involved in creating The Grid. His disc would be no more use to C.L.U. than Sam’s, which apparently was not at all, or C.L.U. would simply have taken Sam’s from the start.
If you like exploring the idea of AI and what it means to be sentient vs. merely following orders, I highly recommend James Hogan’s The Two Faces of Tomorrow and Entoverse. The latter actually is the fourth book of a series that originally was a trilogy. The whole series is good, but the first three books have a different focus. I think the 4th book can be read as its own story, without having read the first three. It’s been a long time since I read them, though.
July 11, 2012 at 5:12 am
i read my reply and just keep thinking “man I sound condescending.” I really didn’t mean to put it that way. I said that Alan may have have had something to do with the grid, not 100% certain. CLU obviously new about Alan from being a copy and made Tron into Rinzler. Maybe CLU just needed anybody from the outside in order to open the portal and to lure Flynn in by a familiar face from the outside. Maybe he didn’t understand the time lapse and thought Alan would have come too, or that Sam would have brought help. I do believe it had to be Flynn’s disk because of what was on it (and being a programmers disk vs a user’s or program’s), but maybe Alan could have had something on his just like it ( he was a programmer, he made Tron), maybe Alan never entered the grid (just had made tron) and only Flynn did. But we can’t tear the movie apart like that based on what ifs. I could say why didn’t Flynn have an assistant to stand by on the outside in case he was locked in, or why didn’t Alan just go and answer the page? Maybe Alan knew what was going on and thought Sam should find out for himself so that he may change his ways, but then again if that were true than Alan would have gotten Flynn out a long time ago if he knew he was stuck. I think it was a GREAT movie and just like any other has its flaws, but when you take a step back from analyzing each detail and view the story as a whole you see the subtleties that were placed in. I personally liked how they incorporated the Sam/Quorra relationship into the movie but didn’t make it blatantly obvious with some kissing scene. Some people just take what it meant to them and run with it. I’m glad you feel the same way about the movie as I do instead of needing some kind of transformers script where everything has to be handed to you and over the top female scenes. I felt that the Quorra character brought a new sex appeal to movies and did not even have to get naked (the only skin I saw was partial shoulder and from the neck up). I will have to check those suggestions out. I really like movies that start it for me then read books where my imagination can run wild. If I were an adult in the early 80s reading about tron vs seeing it than I would have never have imagined such a world, same for the grid in legacy.
July 16, 2012 at 9:45 pm
get over it. its only a movie
July 17, 2012 at 8:47 am
i`ve only watched it once but i don`t get how clu padgided alan from kevin flynn office in the real world because they make it very clear that a program can not enter the real world unless with a user`s disc.
September 4, 2012 at 6:27 am
Interesting responses – First I’d like to say that I am an avid sci-fi / 80’s /videogame / programming fan.
That being said -I must say that *GASP* – The ORIGINAL TRON SUCKS BIG TIME. Although I can understand in the 80’s the whole concept of the movie and costume designs may have been novel for the time – The original movie is cheesy, boring and the effects laughable by today’s standards. I don’t recall a single time that I have watched the original that I didn’t doze off at some point in the movie. The new Tron Legacy has everything: cool tech, bikes, hot girls, digital Jeff Bridges (lol) what can I say? By the way I like the plot. I love Tron Legacy, have watched it at least a hundred times and it has inspired me in many different ways. Can’t wait for the next one.
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September 17, 2012 at 4:10 pm
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September 20, 2012 at 6:11 am
If Tron Legacy sucks bawls, Original Tron Sucks Azz & Bawls. Rinzler alone makes this movie kick azz
October 1, 2012 at 8:29 pm
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January 27, 2013 at 10:49 am
So….what you’re saying is….?
October 1, 2012 at 8:37 pm
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October 11, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Tron rocks! I think it’s cool cuase it’s like real high tech. Tron is like a way old classic on TV a way long time ago. My dad used to watch Tron way back when he was young kid. He’s an old dude now. He’s 39. My dad still has his first computer a way cool, old school Commodore 64K. We still have a Tron game for it, and it still works. It’s so old school, but it’s still an awesome game cause it’s like real crude but fun to play. I can’t wait until the next Tron movie comes out, and hopefully a sequel made for TV.
November 11, 2012 at 12:56 am
I think the original poster needs to stop taking Hollywood so serious, it isn’t meant to be believable as it happens. The story serves a purpose. My guess is you have something negative to say about everything unless created by yourself!!!! There’s a thought. If your ideas are better get them on paper and see how far you get!!!!!!!!!! Oh and jump down off of your horse that seems to be quite high, metaphorically speaking of coarse!
January 27, 2013 at 10:41 am
Thanks Ryun for the comment!
I obviously have done a bad job of expressing myself here because I am a firm believer in B Movies!
I love schlock and ‘fun, mindless’ movies. That being said,
this movie failed to please me in any way.
BUT! Go check out “The Good the Bad and The Weird” or “Evil Dead”…those are fun filled popcorn eatin’ flicks.
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet and the highest horse is most likely just a giraffe.
December 7, 2012 at 8:09 pm
This is shit, first off racism is not shown in the movie and I’m guessing that you are a fuckin liberal. I do agree that they could have done a little bit more but racism is not ever shown. I saw white ISOS and the black guy in the club was not the only “primitive” there were white people with him. Again you are probably a liberal prick with nothing better to do. You know all the people who commented and chatted about this topic are probably all losers except burninhellnigger.
January 27, 2013 at 10:37 am
Thank you Thisisstupid!
I am not a fuckin liberal…But it sounds like you’ve had bad experiences with them in the past.
Let me apologize for them. “Sorry Thisisstupid. We should have been more considerate.”
As to the issue of racism in this film, please take a close look at the comment thread above and you’ll see that I
did my best (the best for a Minnesotan is a Iowans ‘half-assed’) to nuance and explain what I was getting at.
In closing, I’ll quote the Beastie Boys: “Racism is schism on a serious tip.”
January 8, 2013 at 9:05 pm
sir you’re retarded.
January 10, 2013 at 6:12 pm
My biggest complaint: original Tron theme doesn’t exist. Daft Punk may be the bomb (I guess so, hipsters. They’re okay), but really, they couldn’t fit in the original Tron theme(s), or pay any homage to the original soundtrack?
January 10, 2013 at 6:16 pm
On a positive, Tron:Uprising is very good.
February 18, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Hey, first of all he calls all the people at the bar primitive because they never “upgraded” or even re-imagened themselves so it was not racist, also the guy you are calling gay was supposed to be that creepy guy who knows it all, also I would like to say if you are going to put a blog up about a 400 million dollar movie, you better re-think your reasons. Last thing, if every movie did not have one story hole, they would be like your life, very boring!
April 6, 2013 at 12:15 pm
It’s amazing how pathetic the human race has become since the physical requirements of survival disappeared. Enjoy your electronic entertainment while it lasts friends…
April 26, 2013 at 8:42 am
Hey Ryan just saw Oblivion and guess what it sucked also, maybe not 14 reasons bad but definetly 8-12 reasons it sucked.
Please review it and let the debate begin
May 13, 2013 at 1:20 pm
Hello Joseph!
I have not seen Oblivion yet and I don’t plan on seeing either. Sorry!
It is in part because of the poor reviews, yes, but I also have a hard time seeing Tom Cruise films
now because I feel that it is an indirect form of supporting the Church of Scientology.
I know that may sound wacky.
But! I did see Iron Man 3 and gave some ideas on how it could have been better. You can check that entry out and please
leave any ideas you have about it there.
Thanks for the comment and we do like suggestions! Any other movies you’d like to see MindFlowers talk about?
Thanks, Ry
May 30, 2013 at 10:54 pm
Dude go blow a goat dick… Tron was fucking awesome Disney went nuts with cinema 4D in it. The animations in it were insane. Regardless of whether it had a good plot line or wasn’t parallel to the first one doesn’t matter. Its a movie where Disney was trying to show what it could to with animation really.
May 31, 2013 at 11:01 pm
Thank you for your comment Wether!
I wonder…why is it always goats that are getting the attention? Why not armadillo or hyena?
Anywho, I still believe that cool effects can be built upon an interesting story with likable and relatable characters.
But that’s just me.
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